Posts by Farkel

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POLL - Elders vs Molesters

by Amazing in

i wish to conduct a legitimate poll, or at least as legitimate as it can get on this forum.

unless you are or were a jw, please do not respond or make comments.

please simply give an answer, without extended comments.

I knew one. He was our Presiding Overseer when I was a boy. My mother told me a was a child molester in only the last six months. He was caught TWICE doing it by his wife with two different little girls. The first time he was reprimanded. The second time he was removed. He was later returned to authority in the Congregation. The congregation never knew why he was removed from his position. This was over forty years ago. My mother knew and kept it silent herself until she told me. She swore me to confidence that I would not tell her daughter about it (my pioneer/ex-Bethelite sister). Imagine that! She didn't make me promise I wouldn't tell the entire rest of the world, though! His name was Fred Vandress and he "served" as a PO in Salt Lake City, Utah, in the 1950's. He's dead. That's ok. Even the dubs didn't like him. He was a jerk.

Even as a young boy I noticed that he was a mean man towards the flock, notwithstanding the unspeakable cruelties he did to at least two little girls under his "Theocratic" charge.

Farkel

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Complement a Poster

by Black Man in

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here's your chance to complement a poster whose posts make you think, make you mad, make you laugh, make you cry.

i usually find something that i dig in everybody's post around these parts.

but i'll single out some peeps in particular.

Farkel

Sunchild,

: Farkel, I don't even know why I'm telling you this since it probably doesn't mean much coming from someone who likely means nothing to you. But I've enjoyed your posts since the H2O days. You're smart, articulate and funny, and your writing is a pleasure to read. Thank you for all of your good work.

You mean everything to me. Any good that I can do means everything to me. If you got some use out of it, then my efforts were worthwhile. Many people read our posts and rarely comment. We know this. We are doing our work for them as well as those who do interact with us.

Thank you for your nice words.

Farkel

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More of me!!!

by VeniceIT in

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hahhahaha well i knew after a few of the other posts that would get your attention hahhahahha!!!!

!ok i know you guys are gonna think i need to stop watching movies hahha!!!

tonight i watched cast away.

Farkel

Don't leave your boobs at home. Be sure and bring them with you. Otherwise, I probably won't show up, and if I do, I won't play the piano for you until you go home and fetch them!

Farkel, who laughs that Brooklyn Bethel is actually reading stuff from me like this! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Proof Please!

by Francois in

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the other day someone made a reference to "mountainous" proof of the existence of an historical jesus.. refusing to suffer fools gladly, the poster was challenged to produce this "mountain" and i haven't heard a peep of it - not that i'm surprised.

a bb friend with whom i carry on a regular private correspondence reminded me of this challenge, and i was wondering if the "mountain" or even a hillock is ever going to be forthcoming?

come on rex, where is it?.

Farkel

Francoise,

Perhaps the wrong question is being asked. Whether Jesus of Nazareth lived or not around 2,000 years ago in the time and place it is said he lived is not really important. What is really important is whether he said and DID what the Bible says he said and did.

Looking at John Chapter 11 we see a story that if anyone in the entire mortal universe had witnessed it or knew to be true would have been recorded thousands and thousands of times in private diaries and in Roman chronicles. Alas, NO ONE bothered to record it but the author of the book of John. Why is it so astounding? Well, this guy named Lazarus had died and Jesus raised this guy from the dead. Not only was that a big deal, that was a HUGE deal. Why? Because that guy had been dead for FOUR days, that's why! Can't any Christian figure out what happens after a body has been dead for four days in the climate where Jesus lived? It rots, that's what. Bugs start eating it. It stinks to high heaven. Now, if the Jews practiced any sort of embalming, they would have already removed all blood and most organs from the body. If they used Egyptian embalming techniques, they would have inserted a hook through the nose of the corpse and pulled out the brain, too. But even if they had not embalmed the body, the body would have reeked of decomposition.

Jesus called out and Lazarus came to life. Since the Jewish leaders who must have had contact with the Romans who ruled the area already were highly pissed off at Jesus for calling them all the names that he did, it would not be the least bit unreasonable to assume that they were tailing him, using plants, spies, or whatever. Moreover, the Romans who were always suspicious of the Nationalistic aims of the Jews would have done the same. There must have been some witnesses from the enemies of Jesus at this event: the most spectacular miracle of all times. Jesus raised to life a body that was already rotting and stinking. Even if there were NONE of Jesus's enemies and even if ALL of the witnesses to this spectacle were totally illiterate, doesn't it make sense that at least a FEW of them would have found a scribe or at least SOMEONE to tell this story to all get them to write down another eyewitness account? NO! Only the writer of John mentions it. Why didn't the authors of the three synoptic Gospels write about it? Was it not a big deal to them? Were miracles THAT common in their day? If so, then where's any evidence they were that common?

Picture this:

Samuel the mason comes home from a day's work and says to his wife Rebecca: "Hi, honey! How was your day?"

Rebecca: "You will not BELIEVE what I saw today! You know that carpenter from Nazareth I've told you about, the man who is called the Messiah? I saw him raise a moldy, rotting, stinky, gawd-awful CORPSE back to life today. After the guy was brought to life, the smell went away from his body and everything! Isn't that amazing! He MUST be from God."

Samuel: "Yeah? That's nice. So, what's for dinner? I'm hungry."

Rebecca: "I'm not kidding, honey. Two dozen of our friends were there and saw the same thing. You can ask them if you want."

Samuel: "I asked, "What's for dinner?"

Rebecca: "My friends and myself have seen this guy actually walk on top of water."

Samuel: "I'd really like to see that, but I've got a whole bunch of bricks to lay tomorrow. Perhaps we can see him do that on Saturday, when I'm off."

Rebecca: "I saw him feed THOUSANDS of people with just a few loaves of bread and a few fish."

Samuel: "Well, that's mighty nice of him. Did you bring any of the leftovers home for us? Life is tough these days."

Seriously folks: Do you think that ALL of the folks who learned and saw the "miracles" of Jesus back then were dim-bulbs like my "Samuel?"

So, Francoise, the more important question is not whether Jesus actually existed, but rather did he do what the Bible said he did, and if he did raise Lazarus from the dead, why did ONLY the writer of JOHN give a shit enough about it to write about it?

Farkel

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Damn! Jesus had a BEARD! What do we do now?

by JanH in

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questions from readers (w68 5/12 p. 86-8).

* when jesus christ was a man on earth, did he wear a beard?-k.a., u.s.a.. biblical evidence is the most reliable testimony to be found on this question, and a recent careful review of what it says indicates that jesus did indeed have a beard.. jesus, born a jew, "came to be under law" and he fulfilled the law.

(gal.

Farkel

: I've always wondered the same thing about beards. How on earth has having a neat beard ever meant rebellion? I've never seen anyone in "the world" think twice about a beard.

The whole anti-beard thing came from Rutherford. He did everything possible to distance dubs from the memory of Russell. Russell had a beard, and many Bible students wore beards in the style of Russell as a gesture of their admiration for him. Rutherford hated that,
and therefore he put the kabosh on beards, first in the Bethels and worked his way down through the ranks.

The Bible had nothing to do with it. The Bible had nothing to do with anything Rutherford did.

Farkel

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"WorldWatch" on JW's...good stuff here

by sf in

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< http://www.millennia.co.za/worldwatch/watchtower.htm.

< http://www.millennia.co.za/worldwatch/cults.htm.

as you scroll the page, there are many great and to the point questions that are asked of the reader if and when they become or are perhaps considering becoming a member.. and more on freemasons/ illuminati (for those who have requested more pages on this topic):.

Farkel

It's always fun to bring crap up to the top of the board.

I hope the board enjoys your crap.

By the way, why did you not address any of my rebuttals?

Dummy.

Farkel
Anti-Crap CLASS

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Complement a Poster

by Black Man in

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here's your chance to complement a poster whose posts make you think, make you mad, make you laugh, make you cry.

i usually find something that i dig in everybody's post around these parts.

but i'll single out some peeps in particular.

Farkel

Thanks to you all for your kind words about me.

As has been abundantly noted, so many people can contribute so many things and in awesome and different ways. I salute all of you!

I bring irreverance and attempt to inject humor. Sometimes I succeed and sometime I don't. I keep chugging, though. One never knows when one can make a difference in just ONE human's life. I don't take crap from anyone. Some don't like that. Mostly, those that don't like that are people who put out crap themselves and expect me and others to accept it. I don't care: I just call crap when I see crap, and if I'm wrong, I admit it. It's pretty simple. I never pretended to be anyone's guru and when some look to me to be one, I terrorize them. I've had my gut full of wannabe gurus and all they've sold me is a pile of crap. With a pile of crap in my lap, what do I have to sell? Nothing. Facts, yes. A better way? No. First one should discover the crap and the "better way" part ain't my job.

It's also good to have a few laughs along the way. Laughs about the insanity of what we've all been through is good, doncha think?

AlanF and NormH have done some very hard work for our benefit. Neither of them are especially suited to funny stuff, but who cares? They give us great stuff. They are awesome in their research. AlanF has stated several times that he and almost all of us are building on the work of others. There are many others who preceded us, and we all deeply appreciate their hard work.

I could talk for dozens of pages about the fine ex-JWs who have contributed so much, but I just will wave a "high five" to all of you/them and say, "Thank you. From the bottom of my heart for all you've given us."

Here's one kudu:

Gary Busselman: you are awesome, dude!

Randy Watters: ditto, brother!

Farkel

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"WorldWatch" on JW's...good stuff here

by sf in

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< http://www.millennia.co.za/worldwatch/watchtower.htm.

< http://www.millennia.co.za/worldwatch/cults.htm.

as you scroll the page, there are many great and to the point questions that are asked of the reader if and when they become or are perhaps considering becoming a member.. and more on freemasons/ illuminati (for those who have requested more pages on this topic):.

Farkel

You made assertions as facts. I asked for evidence. You responded with:

: Get a life.

At least in my non-life I have common sense. I would rather have a non-life and common sense and a "life" without any. Sorry you feel differently.

: Im not battling for supremecy of this board.

Thtat's for sure. Your pathetic rants when charged to produce evidence would hardly be called a "battle."

: To be a leader you need to display leadership qualitys which is obvious you have none.

Red herring.

: To publicly ridicule is childish. Hike your leg on someone else youre not marking your territory on me.

Ad hominem.

: Its also obvious your knowledge of the masons is limeted. Ive studied the masons long enough to know their evil ways and the statement about them murdering mozart stands.

How can it stand without any legs?

: Is this how you treat someone else that might bring something else to this board besides a big chip on their shoulder,

I treat everyone who spouts shit equally.

: crying and moaning about how bad you were lied to by the org. Get over it. Ive got news for you. You were lied to in school also.

I've never "cried and moaned" about being lied to by the org.

: How old are you anyway.

Old enough to properly punctuate a question.

: Do you throw a tantrum every time the conversation shifts away from the poor Farkel or you disagree with what is being said.

I didn't throw a tantrum, I asked for evidence. You didn't produce evidence and I pointed that out. It's pretty obvious from all your personal attacks on me that you are the one who is throwing the tantrum.

: You act just like the org. If you dont agree with it, squash it.

I didn't ask you squash anything. I asked you for evidence.

: Mark your spot on someone else. Youre way out of your league on this one.

That's ok. I don't mind stepping down from my league to help someone understand the difference between a sound argument and a sloppy one.

: Untill you have something intelligant to say about freemasons I would stay out of the conversation.

I thought you had all the intelligent things to say about how Mozart was murdered by the Freemasons. Of course I was wrong, but then again, no one is perfect.

Farkel

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sister says prayer with elders !!!!!

by jurs in

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this friday the elders are coming over to discuss my da letter.

i keep studying and thinking of what i want to say.

i'm sure they'll open with a prayer.

Farkel

jurs,

: this friday the elders are coming over to discuss my DA letter.

What is there to discuss? You just cut them out of your life. It is nearly impossible to "recall" a DA letter. You sent it. They have it. You have declared yourself as "out!" Why do you give them any more power over you? You are OUT! So STAY OUT!

Send them to hell. Being DAd is far worse than being DFd and I hope you understand that. No matter what you do or what you say if you allow them to further interfere with your life, you will undoubtedly just give them more ammunition to vilify you among the stooges in their audience.

Don't have any more meetings with them. Take AWAY the power they still think they have over you. Window Washers and Janitors only have as much power over you as you allow them to have.

Send them to hell. They will do everything possible to ruin your reputation, anyway: If they talk you into "coming back" you will be "marked" as "weak" and a "potential Apostate." You will be screwed if you come back. If you show them evidence that what they teach is crap, you will be marked as a "demonized Apostate."

If you send them to hell, then you have not only taken away their power, but they know NOTHING other than what you wrote in your letter about what you know and what you think. Good grief! Are you going to let those bastards suck your mind dry with what you think and feel after you've told them you want OUT! NO! Do not do this!

Send them to hell.

Emasculate them and their petty power they think they have over you.

Send them to hell.

Farkel, who likes that expression! They deserve it.

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"WorldWatch" on JW's...good stuff here

by sf in

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friends

< http://www.millennia.co.za/worldwatch/watchtower.htm.

< http://www.millennia.co.za/worldwatch/cults.htm.

as you scroll the page, there are many great and to the point questions that are asked of the reader if and when they become or are perhaps considering becoming a member.. and more on freemasons/ illuminati (for those who have requested more pages on this topic):.

Farkel

Herein lies your problem with your assertions:

You first made this statement: "Yes Mozart was a Mason and he was murdered for revealing their secrets as was Edar Alan Poe."

Do you understand that this statement was expressed as a FACT by you? That's why I challenged you. When challenged for evidence, you say:

:1791 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart dies.. Some say murdered by the masons for revealing Masonic secrets in his opera The Magic Flute."

"Some" also still insist the Earth is flat. I asked for evidence, not shit, not some unnamed "some" who we know nothing about and who have offered nothing but talking out of their ass opinions. If they weren't doing that, then where is there any REAL evidence that the Freemasons killed Mozart? You made the assertion. I asked for proof. You give me crap. If you can understand the difference between crap and facts, you won't be offended by what I just said. If you cannot understand the difference, I don't care if you are offended: you have much to learn about what constitutes "evidence." In either case, I'll try to work with you in the best way I can.

I haven't bothered to read your stuff on your site because you cannot even make a simple argument in here, so why should I bother to read further what you have to say?

If you will take the time and the effort to learn how to really put together a coherent and logical and sound argument, you will be blessed in your thinking abilities and in the difference it makes in your life more than you could imagine. If I could ever make any difference in your life, I just did by that advice. Please take me up on it.

Farkel