as a jw, success meant pioneering, commenting at the hall and book study, and going up the jw ladder.. how about now, how do you mesure success and happiness?.
we are successful in rearing our children the normal, happy way, without the interference of the WTBTS. Making sure our children have every opportunity to succeed in this world, furthering their education, and for them to have fun playing sports, and making good friends. We let them be kids...
Definately with you on this one- one of the main reasons I've started to fade
the tribulation is really starting to speed up it's pace.
i just read that atleast 3 types of animal and plant life go extinct every hour.
global warming threatens the entire planet, crimes against women and children are at a all time high, honeybees dying off for unexplained reasons, the threat of nuclear war, the ravage of infectious disease.
All that burning fossil fuel by driving around looking for people who are not at home (because they're out enjoying their families, a baseball game, a walk, a cup of coffee, their community, etc) is contributing to global warming!!!
BTW Terry- you said it all.
as a jw, success meant pioneering, commenting at the hall and book study, and going up the jw ladder.. how about now, how do you mesure success and happiness?.
I notice a major shift in this when I left Bethel. At bethel all success is measured in terms of your "career" and moving up the ladder. this changed quite a bit afterward. Now- I think of success in terms of that overused poem that basically comes to the point of "sucess is making someone else's life better"
humbly submitting to loving shepherds.
*** w87 6/15 p. 15 par.
500-501 par.
It is interesting how Ray Franz in ISOCF talks about how the phrases overseer, elder, shepherd, etc when read from the text are references to qualities and actions of individuals- not of heirarchical positions granted by a central authority. All of the scriptures that are used to defend and consolidate authority take on a different cast when you consider this.
i'm currently a ministerial servant and pioneer in my congregation.
i want to begin my fade soon.
i'm going to get off the pioneer list first instead of quitting both positions at once, hopefully to ease potential gossip.
I'm with Lawrence, be a slacker. Get real busy doing something (college is a great thing to do). You will miss meetings, service and then they will remove you. If they hang on to you as an MS forever, you may have to take one of the more affirmative steps.
For there to be freemasons running the wts assumes 2 very huge and implausible things:
1- There is original thought at Bethel these days. Not. The lawyers are the only ones doing any original thinking and their efforts are directed at limiting liability. Franz, Schroeder, etc were the last of the "thinkers" Everyone else is parroting.
2- There is some great conspiracy. Not. Everyone in the org (at all levels) is so caught up in the never ending cycle of performing repeditive tasks that there is simply no time or energy left for conspiracy.
we come out of the org.
we caught them in lies.
they stole our time, our money, our families from us.
Not looking to start a fight, but the whole masonic, illuminati running the WTS and the hidden symbols in artwork are two very dubious (but exciting) claims. There is enough wrong with this system of thinking without ascribing more conspiracy to it than necessary.
someone on another thread mentioned the "watchtower spin" on the settlements.
has a watchtower statement been posted, or a link to one?.
ruth.
This reply tries to draw attention to the society as "just an educational" group. Like- "Yes we paid but all we do is try to educate people not to do bad things"
if you were a believing elder when the lawsuits were explained to you, would you remain .
as an elder?.
what i am asking is this- if you understood that elders were named in the lawsuits, and .
It all depends on the level of indoctrination. A few years ago, I would have followed the borgs policies to the letter. But now, even a year ago, I would have seriously questioned any direction not to inform the authorities. BTW current direction is to immediately call Legal before even talking to victim.
i just finished the book by ray franz, coc, and for some reason i'm madder than ever at this organization!!!
i've been out for over 20 years and now i'm even more pissed off!!!!
why am i so angry at things i already knew although i'm sure i've just repressed them over the years and got on with my life, anyone else have this anger problem after reading this book, or is it just me??.
I was mad at first. and then glad that he wrote the book. If he hadn't gone through that, how many people would have never woken up. His books and experiences are the source of strength and freedom for many.
