Posts by lrkr

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Has anyone seen this research on 607 and the Watchtower?

by lurker in

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i was recently searching the web for information on 607 to discuss with my wife and i came up with this.

http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/607/default.html these people say that they are proving the watchtowers 607 date correct.

i am convinced that the watchtower is wrong because of all the other things that i have researched but i would welcome any feedback.

lrkr

Lurker- one of us has to get a new name. I volunteer.

For some, the 607 thing is just a lot of incomprehesible numbers anyway. If it was dropped it would not be any big deal. For me though, when I read Randy Waters essay on Ray Franz researching the subject for the Aid book and being disappointed that there was little or no secular evidence to support 607- it was the start of the end for me.

Then I went and read the Aid book article on Chronology and it was obvious that Ray did what was stated in the essay- spent most of the type arguing against every line of evidence that the destruction of Jerusalem was in 586, and then cobbled together very little and very weak proof for 607. Then I took the Insight book and compared the Chronology article line by line and I saw that they eliminated most of his argumentation against the evidence for 586. The editing basically ignored the problem- something Ray could not do.

A lot of JW theology is based on 1914 (time of the end, appointment of FDS, worldwide preaching work, etc) If 607 is a forced doctrine then so is 1914... and it all fell apart for me after that.

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NOT AGAIN! That's right folks, once again we are now 'very close' 2 the end

by needproof in

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i have received word that we are now 'very, very close'.

at the sunday meeting, according to my trusted source, the speaker actually said that 'it is no longer years, nor months - yet weeks and days'.

so they need you back, now!

lrkr

"Concerning that day or hour no one knows, not the angels or the son but only the father"

Why do they always forget that and start spouting about when the end is coming???

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Lurkers! How do you put up with it?

by PopeOfEruke in

i just cannot understand how any one in their right mind can read the experiences here concerning the wachtower society's false claims, lies, trickery and deceit, and the example shown by the so-called "elders" in treating the flock with disdain and cruelty, and still stay a jehovah's witness.. lurkers, how can you do that?

do you simply dismiss all the evidence?

have any of you experienced such evil acts personally and still stay connected to the jw's?.

lrkr

Since I picked the screen name lrkr, I guess I'm obligated to respond (will have to change this name one of these days)

In a word, people. The people in the org are good friends of mine, family are all good people (and very JW). The thought of losing these relationships pushes me to put up a fascade. But that gets more and more difficult. Going in service and asking people to study and become a JW was the first difficulty. I just didn't want to subject them to it. That feeling of "I just cant anymore" progressed to parts, commenting, conducting the BS (esp in the Revelation/Imagination book), and finally to just sitting through meetings.

I suppose lurking is the first step in a journey. Growth is good. Lurking is the first step.

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Well, here comes a judicial committee

by drew sagan in

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see post below.

lrkr

If you really want to avoid DFing cancel the membership before the meeting with the 2. Say that their concern moved you to your senses and be done with the issue. Anything else carries a high risk of DFment. (You can rejoin later, just tell everyone to keep their trap shut.)

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Fader's update on the wife.

by OnTheWayOut in

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so my wife is still very close to me.

she acts like she hopes i come back to the meetings but.

she doesn't really expect it.

lrkr

If possible, help your wife to establish social ties outside the org. I know that our social ties outside have not only helped, but quickened our fade. As you know, one of the strongest control points that the organization has is social interaction.

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Fader's update on the wife.

by OnTheWayOut in

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so my wife is still very close to me.

she acts like she hopes i come back to the meetings but.

she doesn't really expect it.

lrkr

If possible, help your wife to establish social ties outside the org. I know that our social ties outside have not only helped, but quickened our fade. As you know, one of the strongest control points that the organization has is social interaction.

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Disfellowshipping smokers is an outrage!

by yaddayadda in

how does the society scripturally justify taking the ultra-harsh measure of disfellowshipping and shunning persons who merely enjoy smoking a few cigarettes a day?

in what way is mild smoking a gross sin that is deserving of such a harsh punishment?

how on earth does the society make the connection between the scriptural exhortation to 'cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit' (2 cor 7:1 & 2) to taking the extremely harsh measure of denying a smoker the right to any contact with their fellow congregation members, friends, and jw family?

lrkr

How about DFing people for consuming too much saturated fats, eating at Mc Ds too much, not exercising, having a stressful lifestyle. All of these have proven health effects- same as smoking.

But really, what do you all expect, you can be DF'd for what you think (like thinking that the WTS is not the one channel of God) so being DFd for smoking is not the most shocking thing that happens

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Why are the WT selling prime estate in Brooklyn - do they know something

by needproof in

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so i hear that the wt are selling lots of property; worth millions.

1) they sincerely think the end is soon .

2) they just want the money .

lrkr

Very simple- operating costs in NYC are 2-4 times more than in the suburban country areas of Wallkill and Patterson. (Just try getting a truck in to Brooklyn and you'll understand)

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Kansas City DC summary

by stillajwexelder in

ok just got back from the dc in kansas city.

i know there has been a thread on the dc already but i will post "highlights" or lowlights depending on one's opinion, of the dc in kc on this thread.. 1) bethel speakers so far 1 from patterson bethel, 1 from brooklyn bethel and 1 from walkill bethel + governing body speaker anthony morris 111. friday major talk on christ on last talk by morris.

illustarted earthquake in armenia few yaers ago.

lrkr

Sensational e-mail was also mentioned but under false stories

This is because they're twisted at the wide distribution and embarrasment of the Jim Rayford e-mail that was posted here.

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Have JW's done away with disfellowshipping?

by lostlantern in

a friend just said that disfellowshipping is no longer practiced due to legalities, does anyone know if this true?

lrkr

I was an elder a few months ago and there was no significant change that we were made aware of. Just the semantic change of "...no longer a JW" instead of "DFd". Everything else remains intact. Just that the lawyers are reviewing all public announcements now.