Posts by ProdigalSon

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Child's Nightmares and Memories Prove Reincarnation

by ProdigalSon in

matthew 17:10 however, the disciples put the question to him: "why, then, do the scribes say that eli jah must come first?

" 11 in reply he said: "eli jah, indeed, is coming and will restore all things.

12 however, i say to you that eli jah has already come and they did not recognize him but did with him the things they wanted.

ProdigalSon

Thanks poppers I will check that out.... when you said "your view on reincarnation" I guess you meant other readers on the thread....

The Bible has a lot to say about reincarnation, but because we've been trained to read it with preconceived notions, and because we have bogus lies written in the book of Hebrews about the sin of adam and a judgment after one life, we don't recognize the truth when it hits us right in the face. Aside from the scripture I quoted above, the New Testament also offers this (I'll get to the Old Testament later):

As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" John 9:1-2, NIV

The disciples wanted to know why the man was born blind, so they brought up two possibilities to Jesus: Either the man was blind because of his parents' sins or because he was reaping the fruit of his own sins (karma). If there is no pre-existence of our souls and the man was born blind, then where or when could he have committed the sins that caused his blindness? They are saying as if it is a prevalent and accepted idea that the blind man had a previous life. Also, Jesus did not respond as if this was a strange or unacceptable idea. He doesn't marvel that they have presented him with such a false and evil concept like a typical JW or fundy Christian would.

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When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets." "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Matthew 16:15-16

The idea here seems to be that if a prophet appeared, he must be an incarnation of one of the past prophets, so Jesus is asking the disciples who the people think has been reincarnated as himself. The concept of the reincarnation of the prophets is overlooked by Christians and they make the only point of the question to find out who the multitudes of people believe him to be. These scriptures indicate that, at least to Jesus and the disciples, the idea of reincarnation was common. Herod also heard that others were saying one of the prophets of long ago had reincarnated. This again indicates that such a belief in reincarnation was common at the time.

Now Herod the tetrarch heard about all that was going on. And he was perplexed, because some were saying that John had been raised from the dead, others that Elijah had appeared, and still others that one of the prophets of long ago had come back to life. Luke 9:7-8, NIV

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Child's Nightmares and Memories Prove Reincarnation

by ProdigalSon in

matthew 17:10 however, the disciples put the question to him: "why, then, do the scribes say that eli jah must come first?

" 11 in reply he said: "eli jah, indeed, is coming and will restore all things.

12 however, i say to you that eli jah has already come and they did not recognize him but did with him the things they wanted.

ProdigalSon

Matthew 17:10 However, the disciples put the question to him: "Why, then, do the scribes say that E·li´jah must come first?" 11 In reply he said: "E·li´jah, indeed, is coming and will restore all things. 12 However, I say to YOU that E·li´jah has already come and they did not recognize him but did with him the things they wanted. In this way also the Son of man is destined to suffer at their hands." 13 Then the disciples perceived that he spoke to them about John the Baptist.

For me, EVERYTHING changed, and the purpose of life and the reason we are here started coming into view, the day I realized that the teachings of original sin, one brief life regardless of its circumstances, and a resurrection to judgment was a SCREAMING, DIABOLICAL LIE. The truth?

http://www.fox8.com/wjw-reincarnation-txt%2C0%2C1190900.story

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Gentle JESUS, meek and mild . . .

by nicolaou in

okay, this is a subjective choice of scriptures but i'm throwing them out here for discussion.

what do these texts tell us about jesus?

remember, this is jesus in his own words!.

ProdigalSon

tec and meetingjunkie, thak you so much for the encouragement!

All of our history and destiny, including much of the Bible and its esoteric knlowledge, is written in the sun, moon and stars. That's where all the ancients like the Mayans, Incas and Hopi's got much of their insight. Isn't it interesting, how Bible believers are forbidden from discovering its true meaning by the book itself, which condemns anything "occult" or "mystical" or anything to do with astrology.

"And God went on to say, 'Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night, and they must serve as signs ......" -Gen. 1:14

According to Josephus, the Zodiac was inlaid in the tile of the Temple floor. That just about says it all.

~PS

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Gentle JESUS, meek and mild . . .

by nicolaou in

okay, this is a subjective choice of scriptures but i'm throwing them out here for discussion.

what do these texts tell us about jesus?

remember, this is jesus in his own words!.

ProdigalSon

SweetBabyCheezits, believe it or not, I have a deeper appreciation for the Bible now than I ever did, after studying the various metaphysical, allegorical, gnostic, kabbalist etc. interpretations that reveal what Jesus' (and the Bible's) true message was before it was changed (literalized) and buried by the Church. They took Paul's meat and gave us milk. But Lo and behold, the Bible is in agreement with almost every spiritual teacher and philosopher who ever lived, from Homer to Socrates to Plato to Buddha to Pythagoras to Samael Aun Weor. I had spent my whole life trying to understand the Bible but it was futile. Why? It's like trying to read a book written in Chinese. How do you interpret it? Ask the Chinese! And once they do, how do you go back to not knowing and guessing?

Jesus came here to show us the way to God WITHIN, and that we could all BE Christs in Oneness with the Father. He never said to worship him, he said to follow him. Like the Watchtower, priests are in the sin business, and it wasn't a good business opportunity for the church of Constantine if everyone knew they had their own direct pipeline to God. So what did they do? Kill all the Gnostics and "heretics", burn their books, and burn down the Library at Alexandria, where we lost millions of volumes and probably 50,000 years worth of priceless human history. Jesus tried to bring the Christ consciousness to mankind 2,000 years ago. The Church wiped it out. They alone are single-handedly responsible for the Dark Piscean Age and all of its murders in the name of Christ.

~PS

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Gentle JESUS, meek and mild . . .

by nicolaou in

okay, this is a subjective choice of scriptures but i'm throwing them out here for discussion.

what do these texts tell us about jesus?

remember, this is jesus in his own words!.

ProdigalSon

The idea that unbelievers were condemned is just what Jesus would repeatedly blast the Pharisees for. It's important to keep in mind that the Roman Empire needed to make Jesus THE MAN-GOD, the ONLY way, and that's exactly what they did. They put many of those words in his mouth. Which ones, we don't know for sure, but the truth rings loud and clear, and so do lies. It only takes a word change here or there to completely alter the meaning of a statement.

When Jesus said we could not love our lives, that we needed to pick up the cross and deny ourselves, he was teaching about death of the ego. That is the group (legion) of competing voices within the mind that are always begging for attention. ME this, ME that. When we die to ourselves, we become genuinely interested in the welfare of others, while we still love OURSELVES. How is that? BEcause the TRUE self is not your name, status, and Social Security number. It is an eternally existing "I AM" piece of God!

Namaste,

Jimmy C.

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Gentle JESUS, meek and mild . . .

by nicolaou in

okay, this is a subjective choice of scriptures but i'm throwing them out here for discussion.

what do these texts tell us about jesus?

remember, this is jesus in his own words!.

ProdigalSon

If there were separate teachings for the masses, with the large crowds and ruckus and all, then they completely escaped the notice of every secular historian of the time, most notably Josephus. Here was a guy who wrote tomes about insignificant nobodies, but the man who walked on water, fed 5,000 with two loaves, raised the dead, gave eyesight to the blind, caused an earthquake when he died that was so violent that dead people came out of their tombs, rented the Temple curtain in two, and caused nightfall in the middle of the afternoon....not a word. Oh, except for a one-paragraph blatant forgery.

On the other hand, SOMETHING went on during this time that caused Christianity to spread like wildfire, even though it was basically a carbon copy of Mithraism, the dominant religion at the time. Or perhaps that's what the Romans did to the story afterward, adding in all the Mithraic content. That would explain why the Christian churches are built on Mithraic temple ruins.

According to the Gnostic Gospels, Jesus was conducting a private school for 72 disciples. It is suspected by some, including myself, that he was an Essene. Perhaps there were many Jesuses springing up, like a rising consciousness. Whatever the case, there is NO historical evidence for the wildly famous escapades of Jesus of Nazareth, a town which didn't even exist at the time, outside of the Nicea Bible.

Not all is lost though. The historical figure is not what matters, it's his message that counts.

"Because you have seen me have you believed? Happy are those who do not see and yet believe." -John 20:29

~PS

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Witnesses taking credit for bloodless surgery research and implementation

by sabastious in

i gets me almost into a frezy when witnesses use this asinine argument.. if jws were ever the reason for bloodless surgery reasearch it was because doctors were tired of having to let you guys die.

they found a way to keep your asses alive even with your ridiculous superstitions!

you should thank the doctors of this world for having such love and compassion.... -sab.

ProdigalSon

I have to admit from first-hand experience with my mother that the Witnesses do have a very large presence in the hospitals and have done a lot to promote and improve bloodless surgery. They do have actual doctors involved. I'm not defending the hard-line cultish stance on transfusions though. What I WILL attack is the ridiculousness and hypocrisy of allowing separate fractions when the last I checked, the sum of the fractions equals a whole.

~PS

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Psalms 83:18

by Joey Jo-Jo in

got a question i got stuck on, the original hebrew wording has yhwh, so it says:-.

that people may know that you, whose name is jehovah,.

you alone are the most high over all the earth.

ProdigalSon

Jehovah is the most important word in Kabbalah, Freemasonry, and Enochian Magick. Like demons, the Satanists who run the Tower live off fear, and they use the name to generate it. Some have been led to believe they are diverting "worship", but the truth is that "God" neither desires nor requires "worship". God is internal to each of us and wants us to see the Creator in each other, and behave accordingly. It is instead emotional energy they are diverting and using for their own nefarious purposes in their Satanic rituals.

Jehovah is internal, the TRUE SELF, the Inner Being, taken from the Hebrew Iod-Havah, the Iod being male and Havah being female. The Taoists call this Yin and Yang. The Watchtower's version is the Great Pharisee in the Sky who just can't wait to rain down fireballs on the Saturday morning door-slammers.

I found this Kabbalah pendant on e-bay for $30.....

Tetragrammaton Kabbalah Pendant

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"This system is soo bad! Its so awfull!"

by highdose in

jw
friends

the above is something i often heard jw's say in one way or another, but they could never fully eleabourate.. so i propose a debate: is the world "bad and "soo awfull"?

as the jw's would have you belive?.

ProdigalSon

The Watchtower is not alone in their fear-mongering and always focusing on the bad news. The mainstream media is guilty of the same. Look at Fox News, or the local 6:00 News. What do you see? Not much else besides suffering, violence, war, etc., and when its not those things its the total focus on nonsense. Then there is the sensationalism. How many women are abducted and killed every day, but for months and months at a time we were fed nothing but Scott Peterson, OJ Simpson, or Joran van der Sloot.

There are many, many good things taking place in the world, having to do with environmental cleanup, preserving endangered species, reduction in violent crime in many places, and most importantly, a growing faction of "elite" who are against the Dark Cabal, the old energy of the Illuminati that has been controlling the world's finances through central banks and the oil industry.

The Iron Curtain fell because of a shift in human consciousness. Little by little, selfishness, greed, and enslavement will no longer be tolerated by that consciousness. There's a new energy coming, one of benevolence and good will towards all. A return to the respect for basic human rights. In that sense the Bible and its prophecies are correct. There really is a Golden Age coming, the Reign of Christ. Not the reign of a man, but the reign of Christ Consciousness, which is "Service to Others" and "Love thy Neighbor".

~PS

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Question about the Word and the Son

by wannabefree in

my question ... is the word of god ever referred to as the son in present or past tense in the old testament?

i realize prophetically god was to send a son.

but before the word emptied himself and was born from woman, was he referred to as the son?

ProdigalSon

Ahh I see, you were looking for past or present...in that sense I don't think so. First it would probably be a good idea to look into a few things about what words have been translated as "son"....

From http://www.illuminati-news.com/fraud-in-the-bible.htm

Son of Man: In all three major Semitic languages (Aramaic, Hebrew, and Arabic) the term barnasha means "human being". Jesus often referred to himself as a human being (28 times in the Gospels). Barnasha comes from bar (son) and nasha (man). The meaning of barnasha has created a lot of confusion in the Gospels. It is impossible to translate the Aramaic term of barnasha literally as "son of man" - and yet most biblical translators have and still do just that to this day. In the Aramaic language the word bar is combined with many other words to create different meanings - most specifically is means a "likeness." For example barabba means "resembles his father". Barhila translated literally would mean "son of power" but in reality it means "soldier". So when we read in the Gospels the phrase "son of man" it should be read correctly as "human being".

Son of God: The word bar means a likeness or resemblance to the suffix word. The Aramaic term that Son of God comes from is bardalaha. Translated literally as "son of God" it does not mean this. Bardalaha in reality means "like God" or "God-like". So when Jesus is referred to as the "Son of God" we should read this correctly as "God-like" or "like God". So what does that tell you about the translation we read in today's Bibles? It tells you that Jesus was not the Son of God - but that he was "God-like". There is a big difference. Jesus himself repeatedly referred to himself as a "human being". The Aramaic reference does not mean one is physically divine - it means there is an important spiritual relationship between God and the man whom is bestowed that phraseology. In addition, don't forget that the Council of Nicea in 325 CE voted to change the human Jesus to a supernatural being. It wasn't until that time that any church thought of Jesus as such.

Only Begotten Son: The world ehedaya is Aramaic. It is very important to understand its meaning when hearing that phrase being bantered about. When we read that Jesus was God's "only begotten son" - it is an incorrect translation of the Aramaic word. The term is found exclusively in the Gospel of John. The phrase we read in English was translated from a Greek word, monogenes. Monos means "single" or "one" and genos means "kind". So the Greek translation originally was with "one-of-a-kind". So where does 'begotten' come from? The Greek word genos is distantly related to the verb gennan which means "to beget". Thus, to translate monogenes as "only begotten" is improper and incorrect--which is an indication of an ill-trained translator being involved with the text. The actual translation should be "unique son" or "one-of-a-kind". The Aramaic word ehedaya means "sole heir" and "the beloved". So when we combine monogenes ehedaya we get "one-of-a-kind, beloved son". That's considerably different from 'only begotten son'.