Posts by wings

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Breakdown of Forum Members

by Georgiegirl in

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ha!!!.

how many online forum members does it take to change a lightbulb and to post that the lightbulb has been changed?.

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently.

77 to cautiously remind the others that they do not have to participate in any light bulb activities anymore, then put in a plug for Steve Hannsen's book Combating Cult Mind Control. (hoping I spelled something wrong)

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what was your best day ever?

by wings in

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mine was four years ago, the day my granddaughter emily was born.

we were camping on the beach in rocky point, mexico.

my husband had gone on a chartered fishing trip, and i had the choice to stay with the ladies hanging out in their perspective rv's or make a day of my own.

wings

Mine was four years ago, the day my granddaughter Emily was born. We were camping on the beach in Rocky Point, Mexico. My husband had gone on a chartered fishing trip, and I had the choice to stay with the ladies hanging out in their perspective RV's or make a day of my own. The choice was easy. I took our four wheeler out of the back of the trailer, packed some drinks, and took off on my own. I cruised the trails over the cliffs and also drove across miles of beach, stopping often to absorb the moment.

What day stands out for you?

wings

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Jehovah's Witnessees and the Truth vs the Lie

by AllTimeJeff in

there are several places on the internet where the hypocrisy of jehovah's witnesses is on full display.

what i am about to write is not new, but it is on my mind, so i thought i would write about it.

(disclaimer, i am an agnostic writing this, using the bible against jw lies.

wings

The GB's view of the bible is to make it suit their ends

Now there is a truth. The questions are how did they get there, and how do they manage to sleep at night? Do they keep themselves so busy that they have no time to pursue truth, that they are keeping themselves busy just keeping the myth in the box???

They have a concept and fit all teachings around it, whether it fits or not.

Scriptural acrobatics.

My personal issue was the imposition of the organization taking the place of Jesus as the mediator. In Franz's writings, he quotes a talk given to the Bethel family by uncle Fred....

"they would merge everyone together and make Jesus Christ the mediator for every Tom, Dick, and Harry."

I remember when I was told that the Greek scriptures were speaking to the anointed, and they didn't apply to me. Still shaking my head over that one. Like, they are the son's of god and we are the dog's of the son's of god. Grateful for the scraps from the table.

omg....I was stupid.

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Jehovah's Witnessees and the Truth vs the Lie

by AllTimeJeff in

there are several places on the internet where the hypocrisy of jehovah's witnesses is on full display.

what i am about to write is not new, but it is on my mind, so i thought i would write about it.

(disclaimer, i am an agnostic writing this, using the bible against jw lies.

wings

Jeff....I am in the process of rereading COC and found your post interesting.

The Bible as it is is claimed to be the foundation for the WTS doctrine. So, yes, it is appropriate to consider the contents of "truth" that they somehow glean from it. Especially considering how many they hold accountable to these "truths".

It was amazing to me how much of R. Franz's issues with WT doctrine was based in simply reading the scriptures, the freedom (and obligation) to examine the scriptures as they are.

He wrote:

It was an education and it was also very humbling, for we came to appreciate that our understanding of Scripture was far less than we had thought, that we were not the advanced Bible scholars we thought we were. I personally had been on such a "treadmill" of activity over the previous twenty-five years that, although reading through the Bible several times, I had never been able to do such serious, detailed research into the Scriptures, in fact never felt great need to do so since it was assumed that others were doing it for me. The two courses at Gilead School I at attended were so tightly programmed that they gave little time for meditation, for unhurried investigation and analysis.

Having now both time and access to the extra Bible helps, the lexicons, commentaries, Hebrew and Greek concordances, and so forth, was an aid. But above all it was seeing the need always to let the context guide, always to let the Scriptures themselves control, that made the major difference. There was no overnight change of viewpoint but rather, over a period of years, a gradual deepening of appreciation of the crucial need to let God's Word spread for itself to the fullest extent possible. I could see why those one-hundred and two-hundred-year-old commentaries in our Bethel library were comparatively timeless in their value. The very fact of their verse-by-verse approach more of less obliged them to stay within the contextual meaning and thereby considerably restricted them from taking excursions into sectarian views or interpretative flights of fancy.

In context....what a thought....thoughtful research....what a thought....sh*t

He also wrote:

Many other of Jehovah's Witnesses, not having the information I here supply, arrived at the same crossroads and made their own decision, doing so simply on the basis of what they had read in the Scriptures. Others, however, face a serious crisis of conscience and do so with uncertainty, with a sense of confused anguish, even of guilt.

So....discovering the "lie" within the "truth".....makes you evil....we know about that.

he also wrote:

The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.

wings (I could go on....you know that though)

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me invited to wife's bookstudy farewell party at elders...GOING!

by oompa in

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friends

i just kind of like the irony.

these are all old friends of mine who i have told all about my issues with wt and my subsequent exit.

since they understand, i still get to "associate" with them occasionally.

wings

oompa, my concern would be for you....

You have skirted being df'd so far, the more you associate, the more chance you have of questions that will make it hard for your family and for those who work for you.

You have stated many times that you are an outspoken apostate. How long can you continue with the charade that you are not a threat to them. Your double life is born of good motives, don't forget the politics that create the need for it.

wingshoping the best for you and yours

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"It's Snowing Like A Bast^rd"

by minimus in

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friends

so said a friend of mine who was driving.

we are supposed to get another 10 to 12 inches of snow here.

white out conditions are terrible here!

wings

So, I'm from Colorado and I think I have seen it all.....BUT.....just experienced my first "ice storm". Wicked nasty...no power for three days....40 mph winds now blowing ice off the trees, slamming against the windows threatening to break through, trees popping like grenades and exploding limbs....a flipping war zone!!!

BAD ASS INDIANA WEATHER!!!!

-2 current temp....25 mph winds....40 wind gusts

wings (longing for a regular snow storm....3ft can't beat this)

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I invited my jw wife to my "company party"

by kzjw in

she asked if it was an xmas party & i told her we won't be singing carols, but it's tied to the holiday.

we also celebrate our top employees with an award, the year i won was emotinal for me, but i had no one to share it with, which really sucked!

i only asked to see if she'd make the effort...by the way last nited she was watching the xmas episode of a sitcoms, isn't that against the wt rules?

wings

So my elderly father (worldly, a movie addict, and movie collector) was being pursued by a young pioneer couple. Easy time, he was living with me. They would borrow movies from him every time they came to "call".

He hit the wall when they had been borrowing many R rated movies, and then refused to take "It's a Wonderful Life" and other holiday titles. Of course it wasn't because they weren't interested....he could have handled that....it was because celebrating Christmas was wrong, and then went on to explain it to him.

He stopped the "calls" and the movie loaning after that.

wings

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Do you believe in life after death?

by Newborn in

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i'm not scared of death but as for most people i find it hard to accept it's just over when we die...but no-one can ever know... and i'm working on coming to terms with that.

maybe it's harder for us who's been sure of living forever in paradise?.

/newborn.

wings

I have no idea....but to side with Gregor....today is what matters most to me now.

No matter....I believe that life is a gift. Everyday holds something worth holding in my soul. A song, a moment with a friend, the deep giggle and spark of life in my granddaughter's eyes....fixing a good meal to share out of nothing in the kitchen.

If the comet came now, I would want to think about all I have appreciated, not so much about what I have done, or not done.

wings

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