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  Ironic: g73 2/8 p. 4 The Wisdom of Admitting a Mistake

  by 4thgen in

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  what ya all think about this?

  of course, admitting we made a mistake is the right, honest and decent thing to do.

  it is also the course of wisdom.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  I love your quote 4thgen!
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  Did You Ever Hear An Elder or Bethelite's Comments That Made You Question ??

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  years ago, the society's speakers used to give many off the cuff statements.

  a lot of personal opinions and questionable remarks.. anything ever stand out for you in this area?.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  NVR2L8 I don't remember the name of that brother. besides, being in a fade out mode, I must remain a little vague. :)
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  Did You Ever Hear An Elder or Bethelite's Comments That Made You Question ??

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  years ago, the society's speakers used to give many off the cuff statements.

  a lot of personal opinions and questionable remarks.. anything ever stand out for you in this area?.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  There was a disaster in Lac Megantic (Canada, Québec) where a train exploded downtown after midnight and killed 50 people. One of the worst desasters in Quebec`s history. Now, many of the victims were at a local pub that night known as "La boite à Chanson".

  In the introduction talk to a circuit assembly, the brother told the story of a JW father and his son who stopped and paused right in front of that pub around 11:30 after their working hours (cleaning) and thought about going there. However, they deemed it would be wiser to go to bed at a regular hour and be fresh for service the following day. Well, Jehovah obviously blessed them.

  I wanted to walk out right there with my family. However, due to my ongoing fading-out effort, I had to take it all in like a woose.
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  I feel nostalgic and for a second, even felt like I wanted to go back.

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  today, i feel nostalgic about the good time i had in the truth.

  i was thinking about the district convention coming up this summer and i have to honestly say that i miss being there and hearing about some really good bible advices.

  you know, about how to be a better husband and father, how to be balance with entertainment or money, how to priorities love and despise wickedness.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Thanks Punkofnice, I'll add that book to my library: Combatting Cult Mind Control. by Steven Hassan.

  and yes Theredeemer , I think that being surrounded by people who nod their heads has a lot to do with it. Its a feeling a belonging, a feeling of being in the right place. And in the end, its all feelings, its not doing the right thing.

  As for someone to tell me stuff I can gather, well, I like discussing things, and very often, some of the most enlightning research I have done in finding the TTATT was triggered by comments I heard at the front. To me, its entertainment. Some people like football, I like religion. Its just like you told someone: Why don't you go play hockey instead of just seeing people play it. Religion, I research and like people talking about it.

  So you may be right, perhaps I should look into other source like prechers on tv and radio who tend to be much more mainstream.
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  I feel nostalgic and for a second, even felt like I wanted to go back.

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  today, i feel nostalgic about the good time i had in the truth.

  i was thinking about the district convention coming up this summer and i have to honestly say that i miss being there and hearing about some really good bible advices.

  you know, about how to be a better husband and father, how to be balance with entertainment or money, how to priorities love and despise wickedness.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Today, I feel nostalgic about the good time I had in the “truth”. I was thinking about the district convention coming up this summer and I have to honestly say that I miss being there and hearing about some really good bible advices. You know, about how to be a better husband and father, how to be balance with entertainment or money, how to priorities love and despise wickedness. I miss that. I really do.

  But then, I think of all the times they say that they are God’s sole channel and how everyone else is wicked. That those who question them in fact question Jehovah himself. That anyone not researching information within the boundaries of their controlled media are “after their own selfish desires”. And above all, that you should, without blinking, ignore and treat as dirt anyone they tell you from the podium “Person so and so is no longer a witness”. Don’t question anything, be humble and accept Jehovah’s arrangement in which you now must hate this person.

  I just must say that I find it, for the least, weird, that I have to keep reminding me the bad things to overcome this nostalgic feeling.
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  Status quo? Or tell ttatt?

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  2. friends

  supposing i can pull off moving to the other city without the elders successfully finding me and forcing me to go to a jc or something.... should i ever tell my mom ttatt?

  or should i let sleeping dogs lie?

  it is extremely unlikely that dad will tell her ttatt... he prefers, 99% of the time, to not say anything rather than fight.

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  A timeshare, depending on what you do with it, can be a good deal. It all depends on how they use it.

  Oh, and for TTATT, I'd tell her because she is my mom. How can you be close with your mom if she doesn't know something that holds a very large part of what makes you, YOU?
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  Do you have school aged children still going to meetings?

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have stopped going but my son goes with his dad once a week.

  my son got asked by his dad............... "do you want to be a publisher again?".

  my son replies.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Once we realized that our kids understood what was said at the meetings, Me and my wife took the choice to stop attending. It just didn't make sense to raise our kids to see themselves as complete outcasts from the world (including school) believing that they have the ultimate truth while all others will perish.

  Even though we stoped young, they had enough time at the meetings to tell me stuff like:

  "I want to go to the meetings cause I want to be good, I don;t want to be evil".

  In the ears of a JW, this is sweetness. In my ears, it sounded like:

  "The whole world, 7+ Billions are evil cause they don't go to our meetings. I don't want to be evil with them."

  It sent chills down my spine I swear.

  On the otherhand, a whole lot of what is teached at the meeting is also good. So, if your kid is forced to go there, try to spend the equal amount of time sorting through the good and the bad and try to teach him how to think for himself and uphold his own convictions. In the end, nothing is black and white.
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  Do you feel guilty?

  by Justmenthedogs in

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  2. friends

  so while i was out hiking with the dogs today i got to thinking about this forum and was wondering how many of you still feel guilty from time to time for leaving?

  i do, i miss my family at times but then i think about the life that i have created and i have a good one, i have good friends and i am happy, happier then i ever was as a jw.

  i was just wondering if others feel the same way sometimes..

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Yeah, I do feel guilty for the simple reason that I was raised in this religion and that most of the people I know on a social level are in there. But like others said above, I would feel much more guilty if I was IN as I can't imagine brining my kids to believe things that don't hold up against the test of time and truth.
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  Will Moses have time for you in the New World?

  by bats in the belfry in

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  2014 the watchtower, april 15, page 6.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Can you imagine telling the same stories 20 billiob times?
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  Disciplinary Actions

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during a disciplinary procedure, what would the response be if you wanted representation?

  an advocate?.

  why don't they have a group of unbiased men, a prosecutor to present the case against you and an advocate that would represent the accused?

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Hello theDog1,

  In one of your posts, you stated that Jehovah’s Witnesses chose to be baptized and thus, should play by the rules.
  Please consider the following: I got baptized before the age of 14. Back then, I was convinced of what I was thought:
  1. the end was around the corner since the generation of 1914 was growing old
  2. The 144 000 were already selected since 1931 and thus, the remaining number partaking was a real indication of our proximity to the end. No new (non-replacement) anointed the number of anointed was going down since 1931.

  Please note that these things were not mere suggestions provided by the society, they were facts and I accepted them as such. The faithful and discreet slave, made up of thousands and thousands of wise Christians on whose Jehovah’s spirit acted upon, came as one to these conclusions. Who was I to question them all? I was a kid. So, there I was, convinced that Armageddon would come before I’d finish high school.

  I even remember going door to door, believing I was separating goats from sheep and thought on numerous occasions: this person will never make it through Armageddon.

  Then, from time to time, I was comparing my religion to others thinking: Which other religions

  1. Sets up a book study group for its members,
  2. Isn't greedy to the point of accepting credit cards,
  3. Is not involved with the governments and much less with the UN
  4. Does not brainwash kids with games, cartoons, and other things for that purpose
  5. Does not add to the scriptures by inserting images and religious teachings in the bible

  All these understandings above were not small details, they had a great impact on my life. And now that the watchtower has done away with ALL of these, how can we truly say that the organization I got baptized into is the same today?

  Since then, I have come a long way in my understanding of the scriptures and, unfortunately, do not have the freedom to truly express my faith – doing so would cause a Judicial Comity. The irony is that I still share many of the watchtower’s teachings!

  I can’t help but wonder by which authority any man, or group of man, can judge the faith of his fellow man, especially when it comes down to details such as bringing into question the “generation” teaching or even referring to the “144 000” as a figurative number. How an organization does this and still profess to be an organisation guided by love goes beyond my understanding.

  Sincerely,

  Ecan6