Posts by StephaneLaliberte

53

Jehovah's Witnesses Street recruiting thwarted by "Apostates"

by Watchtower-Free in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fylyfc_0we.

StephaneLaliberte

I had fantasized about bringing a big sign next to one of their literature stand and now that I have seen the vid, I have to say that it makes the persons with the signs look nut.

The reason is simple: it is a direct attack on JW. Sure, JW do attack people, but in the end, much more indirectly and thus, it doesn’t look so aggressive… even though we know they are actually very aggressive, much more than a simple banner (ex: shunning, insulting dissenters through press and talks, etc).

I think the best way to cause them issues is to persistently go there, ask them simple, yet, very provocative questions and leave. Let these doubts slowly eat away at them as they did to us and one day, they will be among us.

Simple questions like:

In regards to the first Christians, provide an example of :
- Construction projects
- Door to door success stories
- Family preaching together
- Buildings owned by the congregation
- Judicial Committees
- Instructions pertaining to shunning family members.
- Prayers using Jehovah’s name.
- Miracles performed in Jehovah’s name.
- Letters/books detailing organizational procedures
- Member being excommunicated for sharing teachings not in line with the GB.
How many writings were written by the first Christians? Knowing the success met by the first Christians, why does the WT need to publish so much information?
If there was a Governing Body in the first century, why does the bible have 14 books from Paul and none from this Governing Body?
According to Jehovah’s Witnesses, Act chapter 15 describes a Governing Body meeting. Describe how verse 12 and 22 fit in today’s arrangement.

53

Jehovah's Witnesses Street recruiting thwarted by "Apostates"

by Watchtower-Free in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fylyfc_0we.

StephaneLaliberte

Yeah, I remember doing street witnessing early in the morning, downtown. I would give magazines to people walking to work. At the same time, in my head, I was judging them all, thinking: They are all so focused on this life that they are missing the everlasting life. Poor SOBs.

Yeah, I used to judge alot.

37

Chat with Elder, how would you reply?

by awakening in

jw
friends

had a sit down chat with an elder who is aware of my doubts.

we were on the subject of new light, i was saying that if the org changes a teaching then the old teaching was wrong and cannot qualify as truth at the time it was taught, so where did the falsehood come from?.

his response was the gb is imperfect!!

StephaneLaliberte

The selection of Judas was made so as to accomplish a prophecy.

Is there a prophecy on how the Faithful Servant would provide, at various times, erroneous teachings? Does that prophecy elaborate on how this “wise” slave would force these erroneous teachings on his fellow slaves? Does it also indicate that this slave would take a strong stand by taking the initiative by throwing out of the house of his lord any of his fellow slaves who dares to challenge these erroneous teachings?

In a Jerry Maguire voice: “Show me the prophecy!”

29

Graphic comment on last week's book study.

by Slidin Fast in

i offer this with out further comment:.

12 the mosaic law made it a capital offense to profane gods name.

(leviticus 24:16).

StephaneLaliberte

Agreed.

29

Graphic comment on last week's book study.

by Slidin Fast in

i offer this with out further comment:.

12 the mosaic law made it a capital offense to profane gods name.

(leviticus 24:16).

StephaneLaliberte

Wow... I just saw the video. By "stoning" standard, that is very humane. They left only the head out of the sand so that all the projectiles would hit the head and nothing else. That is much more efficient than if rocks were to hit the arms, legs, foots, and body as well.

By the way, please don't think that I condone stoning. I think it’s barbaric and such a practice makes me question the part that God actually played in the Mosaic Law. That being said, I am not against capital punishment either. Some S.O.B. have it coming. In such case, a bullet to the head (or heart) is probably the best way to go. It’s like getting stoned with one really fast stone right on the target! So it still is approved by God!

29

Graphic comment on last week's book study.

by Slidin Fast in

i offer this with out further comment:.

12 the mosaic law made it a capital offense to profane gods name.

(leviticus 24:16).

StephaneLaliberte

will-be-apostate, I don't know what you saw, but if that is not a stoning, then, I don't know what is... and obviously, Jews did it for the same reason some muslim still do: It was written by Moses!

29

Graphic comment on last week's book study.

by Slidin Fast in

i offer this with out further comment:.

12 the mosaic law made it a capital offense to profane gods name.

(leviticus 24:16).

StephaneLaliberte

Yeah, that is something I take a lot of pleasure bringing out when some JW complain about how violant arabs can be in some other countries. I remind them that is is not for us to judge as they are administering, as a country, a justice that once was established by God himself. As JW, we must remain nutral and accept the fact that stoning, decapitating and burning people are methods of execution with God's own seal of aproval!

I also take the time to remind them that the WT also states that a country has the right to capital punishement. Therefore, we realy have nothing to say about it.

I find that when I bring this up, in general, JWs become very uncomfortable and don't know how to handle their emotions.

Sometimes, I add: If you realy want to have a feel for it, you can search for that kind of videos on the internet. It shouldn't be that bad to watch since back in the days, everyone could take part to a stoning.

38

I want my donations back!

by Hortenzie in

i want to ask wt for my donations back.

i live in canada and i have income tax receipts from them so i can prove how much i gave them.... anybody ever tried something like that or heard about somebody doing it?

what approach should i take?.

StephaneLaliberte

Shirley: There is a guy that isn't handicapped but pretends to be and begs for monney; he makes in average 60k to 100k per year.

http://www.inquisitr.com/550456/bogus-beggar-gary-thompson/

Even if it isn't much, he has been arrested twice for theft by deception. I believe that we could reach the same conclusion with the Jehovah's Witnesses, and indeed, with most religions who lie about themselves. If the GB could see the inside of a jail for lying, the sin obviously the most hated by Jesus Christ, I'd be very happy.

38

I want my donations back!

by Hortenzie in

i want to ask wt for my donations back.

i live in canada and i have income tax receipts from them so i can prove how much i gave them.... anybody ever tried something like that or heard about somebody doing it?

what approach should i take?.

StephaneLaliberte

Of course, the WT would never give it back on its own. If it ever does, I would be unbelievably surprised. But I think there is something to be done as in court.

38

I want my donations back!

by Hortenzie in

i want to ask wt for my donations back.

i live in canada and i have income tax receipts from them so i can prove how much i gave them.... anybody ever tried something like that or heard about somebody doing it?

what approach should i take?.

StephaneLaliberte

ShirleyW, you say that buying a product and placing faith in religion are totally different. Well, I believe that in this 21st century, we can argue just the opposite in court.

For instance, the society pushes the concept that we are in a spiritual paradise where, among other things, we have significant less chances to divorce or get sexually abused.

So in order to help foster such an environment, I make regular donations. But then, upon searching for hard facts, I get none from the WT. Instead, I get numbers telling a different story from the country’s census. The WT obviously knows the real number, but are not sharing; I see no other way of describing this then being deceitful.

I believe when there is deliberate lies, there should be room to argue this out in court. Heck, this could be argued in both the civil court and a criminal one. I think that the judicial system is ready to stop the propagation of deliberate deceitful lies.

*** sl chap. 11 pp. 203-204 par. 51 No Harming nor Ruining in the Spiritual Paradise ***

51 The spiritual paradise is not an imaginary thing. It is real and exists today as the spiritual estate of the restored remnant of spiritual Israelites and those already gathered of the “great crowd,” all of these together being the Christian witnesses of Jehovah. (Isaiah 43:10-12; 44:8) In sharp contrast with the style and quality of life lived by the earthly human society of this present system of things, life in the spiritual paradise is blessed indeed. Here there is a freedom from any such thing as harm being done or ruin being caused by the Christlike residents who are filled with the “knowledge of Jehovah.” Here, too, there is spiritual security, such as is described in Psalm 91. The spiritual and moral plagues and dangers that infest this degraded world of mankind are not permitted to invade the spiritual paradise and make the divinely protected residents religiously and morally sick, diseased and subject to God’s disapproval and disfavor. It is a spiritually healthful place, in which the fruits of God’s holy spirit are produced in abundance.—Galatians 5:22, 23.