Posts by StephaneLaliberte

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Is it me or is John Cedars channel becoming a self important circle fest

by phoenixrising in

i still like the commentary on the jw.org monthly’s, i can skip through some parts.

but it seems like he is pushing too hard to put out videos and the quality is getting very low on the content..

StephaneLaliberte

Ha! Is that a joke? He didn’t apologise for outing faders on Facebook or making illegal copies of Crisis of Conscience.

I don't remember him outing faders. I know he was accused of this, but never saw any evidence of this. Aside from that story (which I don't know if it is indeed true), he's been effective at respecting fadders throughout the 7 years he's been active as an "apostate".

As for crisis of Conscience, you're right, I've never heard any excuse for that one. What bothered me about this was not the fact he printed and sold the book, at the time, the book wasn't sold anywhere; the copyright holder wasn't doing anything about it. It was that he added jwsurvey on the book.

So, ok, he doesn't say sorry for everything he should. That goes with his pride character. But I did hear him retract and say sorry when he got his facts wrong.

I don't want to defend the guy like a JW defending the WT. But what I can say is that this guy did and still does a lot and the complaints against him are generally not serious enough to demand his head on a pike.

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Is it me or is John Cedars channel becoming a self important circle fest

by phoenixrising in

i still like the commentary on the jw.org monthly’s, i can skip through some parts.

but it seems like he is pushing too hard to put out videos and the quality is getting very low on the content..

StephaneLaliberte

l I can say is he is NOT "The Reluctant Apostate"

Yeah, I thought the title of the book a bit odd. Even back in 2013, when he left, he was still an apostate using his anonymous ID. When he was outed, it was on his terms also. So, I never understood the "reluctant" thing.

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Is it me or is John Cedars channel becoming a self important circle fest

by phoenixrising in

i still like the commentary on the jw.org monthly’s, i can skip through some parts.

but it seems like he is pushing too hard to put out videos and the quality is getting very low on the content..

StephaneLaliberte

Now who in the hell wants to listen to 2 hours of commentary!

Joe Rogan fans? It’s a different world out there. Long 2 hour shows is what made Joe Rogan Famous.

Still, I too find some of his videos way too long. There are things he criticises that lowers his credibility. When you criticise little details, people don’t take you as serious when you criticise something big.

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Is it me or is John Cedars channel becoming a self important circle fest

by phoenixrising in

i still like the commentary on the jw.org monthly’s, i can skip through some parts.

but it seems like he is pushing too hard to put out videos and the quality is getting very low on the content..

StephaneLaliberte

Not at all. But as soon as you add a profit motive there's a tendency to chase the money more than the truth.

True. The problem with JWs and ex-JWs is that the target audiance is a bit too limited. For instance, Christopher Hitchens was targeting everybody as everyone cares about the question: Is there a God? Not that many people actually care about JWs and their problems. So, yeah, you need to go a bit on the sensationalist side to make a living out of it. But I don't believe John Cedars has been too far out in that area. Certainly not as bad as the medias on Trump.

And we can certainly say that he is not the typical apostate: He doesn't agree with agressive activism, publically admits when he makes mistakes, don't get into rants, takes care of his parents in law who are still JWs, and doesn't attack the rank and files.

Sure, he has an ego and doesn't sound as sincere as Mike and Kim. But I think he is doing very well. If I was willing to sacrifice my relationship with my family, I'd be doing exactly what he is, and I admire him for it.

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Is it me or is John Cedars channel becoming a self important circle fest

by phoenixrising in

i still like the commentary on the jw.org monthly’s, i can skip through some parts.

but it seems like he is pushing too hard to put out videos and the quality is getting very low on the content..

StephaneLaliberte

Do none of the other contributors to JW survey get paid, because others seems to do a lot of the work.

I don't know how they work things out, but indeed, JW Survey and his channel is not just Lloyd, there's a lot of work from other people in there as well. I'm particularly impress by John Redwood who actually travelled to a few court cases to report on the events. That ain't for free... so I don't know about the monney, but one would have to assume that they work things out in between them.

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Is it me or is John Cedars channel becoming a self important circle fest

by phoenixrising in

i still like the commentary on the jw.org monthly’s, i can skip through some parts.

but it seems like he is pushing too hard to put out videos and the quality is getting very low on the content..

StephaneLaliberte

But it seems like he is pushing too hard to put out videos and the quality is getting very low on the content.

The problem is that all videos are presented with equal importance. He has some very good videos, like the comments on specific pedophile cases, but they get lost in the numerous “small talk” videos such as the "confinement videos".

"He's a grifter", “The moment Lloyd Evans monetized his activism was the moment he lost credibility”.

To say that someone is ill intended because he monetizes his service is a JW narrative. They say this while taking ample donations, even accepting estates that would normally go to the deceased’s relatives. Its double talk.

Lloyd and his friends provide entertainment, useful information that demands research, emotional support to many in need and also assistance with larger organizations such as law enforcements/lawyers/media.

All this requires a lot of work and talent. Most of what he does is actually free and you’re criticizing the man because he accepts donations and sell shirts?

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How Would You React if a Snake Started Talking to You?

by RubaDub in

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just an odd thought i guess.

i saw a large snake in the back of my house the other day and it went on its merry way.

i just asked myself, what if the snake turned around and wanted to have a philosophical discussion on life, the universe or the origin of creation and then began to ask me questions?

StephaneLaliberte

trust it and do what ever it says. Last time that happened, I heard it was the best thing for humanity!

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How did Adam know what a sword was?

by phoenixrising in

so if the bible is the inspired word of god and i don't believe it is by any stretch, how did adam when he was kicked out of the garden of eden know what a spinning sword was?

did adam invent swords?

more bible non sense garbage.

StephaneLaliberte

The comonly used logic is that Moses was inspired when he wrote that passage. He knew what a sword was and thus was able to say that it was a sword.

That logic still doesn't make sense as this would mean that God invented the sword before the humans did. What would be the purpose of a sword in the spirit world?

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Best way to preach to a JW

by Youngaposthate in

when they come to your door knocking... the best way to preach back is.... handing them a comic book when they hand you a watchtower magazine..

StephaneLaliberte

I'd first let them talk, show some interest and let them speak for a good 10 minutes. Once they are invested in me, I'd ask how joining their religion would make my life better. Why do they want to change my life, what do they know about me that makes them feel the need to change my life. What am I doing wrong? It is likely that they spent the last 10 minutes talking about their beliefs and very little questions for me.

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Could Boris "save the NHS & lives" by BANNING Covid 19?

by BoogerMan in

obviously not, but he could do so by banning an even greater killer - tobacco.

smoking has been identified as the single greatest cause of preventable illness and premature death in all 4 nations of the u.k. .

annually, in scotland approximately 10,000 die, in wales, 5000, and in n.i.

StephaneLaliberte

I smoke cigars. Started about 3 years ago. Sometimes, its out of habit, will be standing in the cold, rain and wind... won't really enjoy it, and i feel like an idiot.

But then, there are times like this morning, where I go in my yard, and truely enjoy the moment. Comparable to eating your favorite desert.

Logically, I should slow down the amount I take so that it only becomes these moments I truely enjoy. But give up entirely? I don't see the point. Sure there is risk associated to it. There is also a lot of risk in driving to work, swiming in the lac, eating chips, walking a bit too late in the evening in some shaddy area, etc.

My point is: I'd advise control rather than full ban.