Posts by StephaneLaliberte

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Watchtower Society and Science

by FusionTheism in

is the governing body's methods and practices all that much different from the way scientists work?.

some prominent scientists and big media in the 1970's were pushing imminent disaster from global cooling.

now its global warming and they all sweep the global cooling fiasco under the rug and act like it was just one or two rogue individuals.. other examples can be given: scientists being wrong on the eternal universe, black holes, whether eggs or coffee are healthy or harmful, presenting fake fossils, etc.

StephaneLaliberte

There is a very big difference between the two:

On one hand, you have scientist who share their interpretation of what they can observe. You are free to agree or disagree as they do encourage discussions that challenge their conclusions. They will debate and their views may be wrong, but they will still be willing to debate it and respect your right to your opinion.

On the other hand, you have the Governing Body who's interpretation of the scriptures is, according to them, made brighter under God's Holy spirit. You are not entitled to challenge these conclusions. If you do so, you are a bigot only trying to promote yourself above your brothers and sisters and should be viewed as a threat and treated as such. Should you pursue your desire to question their current teachings, you will be thrown outside of the congregation and effectively put an end to all of your social life (family and friends).

It is not because two things are similar in one aspect that they should be compared. A red plane and a red car, though both being red, are very different thing and do not equate one another.

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What is Your Brainwashing IQ ? Take the Quiz

by Finkelstein in

so how much do you understand about brainwashing, its application and effects ?

essentially lures people into its grasps and then brainwashes them for exploitation and manipulative purposes by using mental indoctrination techniques.. here's a quick quiz to take to answer some of these questions.

http://voicesfordignity.com/brainwashing-iq/.

StephaneLaliberte

I learned a few things. Thanks! :)

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Does What We Say Here Or In Person Really Help JWs To Get Out Of The Religion?

by minimus in

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if we are in the congregation, do you think our comments or questions actually reach elders or others in the congregation?

do our comments on this board affect witnesses to the point of questioning their faith?

StephaneLaliberte

I lurked on this site for about 7 years before taking definitive actions. However, I must admit that what truly did it was the simple question from Raymond Franz's book: Who is the bad christian, the one who questions a teaching, or the one that throws out and calls names his brother for questioning him on anything at all?

It was very simple, but enough for me to understand that what truly matters is love, not details. With the WT, its the other way around.

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Possibly a great question to ask JW's since this last week's WT.

by Crazyguy in

so since the type anti-type doctrine has been dropped 'does this mean peter was right when at luke 12 :41 he said the faithful and discreet slave was just a parable?

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StephaneLaliberte

It was Peter, not Jesus, who said that it was a Parabole. Jesus meant it as a prophesy. Thats what the WT says. - a faithful JW.

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They're Making it Impossible to Fade

by DarioKehl in

for those of you who have already faded due to family still being in, have you noticed how the noose is tightening?.

if it's not memorial, it's special day assembly.

if it's not that, it's convention or the special talk.

StephaneLaliberte

I noticed that the document is made for England. Is it the same thing in Canada? Did they send that letter to elders in Canada?

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They're Making it Impossible to Fade

by DarioKehl in

for those of you who have already faded due to family still being in, have you noticed how the noose is tightening?.

if it's not memorial, it's special day assembly.

if it's not that, it's convention or the special talk.

StephaneLaliberte

Did you just say that the Elders want to keep a copy of your medical directives? That is, there is the one that you are expected to keep in your wallet and now they want a copy that is to be kept else where??

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The Sign of Jonah

by millie210 in

calling you bible scholars!.

i was asked this:.

how can this apply to jesus when he was not in the grave for 3 nights?.

StephaneLaliberte

You know, the prophecy didn't just say three days.... it said "three days AND three nights!" So, they can argue that three days was fulfilled, but not three nights. A half filled prophecy is not a fail.

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Lets run some numbers...

by Lemonp in

after the bombshell that is the may broadcast asking for cold hard cash, i was thinking about the mathematics of the money that they want.

details are very few, but with help from a few people we could build up a decent guess about cashflow.

we know that 6 buildings recently were sold for 375 million dollars, tax free i assume.

StephaneLaliberte

Here are some real numbers for you: In Canada, the branch has received a revenu of 61.8 Millions dollars.

I find this number very high considering that this would amount to 3,705 $ per month per congregations (1,390$ in Canada).

That being said, looking into the reported number of printed magazines and brochures,close to 300 millions, you can tell that a great deal of that money goes straight into their printed material.

source: revenu canada

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WBTS / JW views never quoted as good source of information

by menrov in

not sure if my title is correct.

what i noticed is that in say secular bible research documentation, books, lectures etc, one never (or at least i have never read it) reads a quote from one of the former or current wbts leaders nor do i ever see a reference to one of their publication (unless it is article about the jw/wbts itself).. for example, if you read a book on a bible theme or topic written by a scholar or other bible teachers/professors from prof xyz, you will find often in these books a reference to publications / statements / quotes from other scholars or professors.

but never have i seen a reference to say a wt publication or quote / statement from one the leaders of the organisation.. so, despite the million page printed or conferences organised by the wbts, the material apparently is never considered of value to others or to use as reference material.. in my view, that says a lot..... or am i wrong?

StephaneLaliberte

very interesting.... i hadn't thought about that one. For information to be printed to such a large audience, on a regular basis, you would think that some of that information could be used by other scolars, but no. Nada.

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Mays JW TV Broadcast/Your feedback is appreciated

by ToesUp in

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friends

i have a pretty good intuition but i have to admit i am going back and forth on the jw tv may broadcast.

i keep asking myself are they really in financial trouble (wishful thinking) or are they just grabbing for more money?.

i always appreciate reading everyone's thoughts and ideas on here.. let me know what you think.

StephaneLaliberte

They keep using "accelerated"... I don't see any acceleration here. And again with the 1400 kingdom hall that need to be build or have major repairs. That tells me that most of these are to be repaired. And as for those offices for their translators? Why can't they work from their home and have more people involved on a part time basis? With today's tools, remoting is easy, especially if the bulk of your work (translation), is done entirely alone.

Well... they can't do that, otherwise, they won't know how to spend the money...

To me, it sounds like they're at the point where they need to spend the money they receive and so, they are finding these needs that are not there in the first place.