Posts by StephaneLaliberte

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What's The First "Worldly" Thing You Did When You Exited The Cult?

by pale.emperor in

when you finally and officially exited the cult, whether it be by disfellowshipping, disassociating or fading - what was the first things you did that are considered "worldly"?.

for me, it was like crash landing on another planet that looked like earth but was completely different to the earth i knew.

i wanted to learn everything that i thought i already knew.. first things i did:.

What was the biggest hypocrisy you have seen while a witness?

by HereIgo in

i have far too many to name, however, i have noticed obscene music, cussing, lying and secretive gambling to name a few.

thoughts?.

There was a brother in my hall that sexually molested one the kids. Just about everyone knew about it. Heck, his name became some type of expression for the "pedophile brother". Don't go with this brother in service, he might just be a "First and Last Name". The worst thing is: No one ever called the police. The guy never saw a cell, never had any real consequence.

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Speaker and Interpreter Ratings

by wifibandit in

september 27, 2016 to all bodies of elders re: recommending convention speakers and interpreters.

september 28, 2016 to all bodies of elders having bethel brothers in their congregation re: convention speaker ratings for bethel brothers.

s-315-e 9/16 speaker and interpreter ratings.

StephaneLaliberte

contramundum: That basically means that if you are at a convention and they order you to preach something that doesn't sit well with your conscience, you better say it like you believe it, otherwise, you won't give talks in any other conventions, anywhere.

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the new understanding

by heathen in

hi guys , i know i was never a favorite here and haven't posted in awhile ... question .

what do you think of the new understanding of , " this generation " they seem to go in circles on this one big time , once 1914 generation was almost gone they said they didn't know what it meant and now in the new publication the generation includes the second generation after 1914 .... i agree they don't know what they are talking about and this is just another control move .

any comments ?.

StephaneLaliberte

Two generations overlapping: You can't get more self delusion than this.

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PRESS RELEASE: This is not over, on the contrary. I do not retract.

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

i appreciate all the expressions of interest and solidarity.

it has been a very intense week.

i started with the help of many of you, a particular war for my rights as a european citizen.. we have achieved an important space and advertising with a single complaint, which is a great success that i share with you all.. the press has not only spoken about a single complaint, but they gave a full coverage on asocial behavior of jehovah's witnesses and the last, a very hard editorial from the newspaper el periodico director (link).

StephaneLaliberte

Thank you! We all come to this forum trying to make a change, in our lives or in the lives of anyone who read our comments. And when one of us have the attention of the media like you do? It's like the "american dream"!!

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2016-09-21 BOE Re: Global Assistance Arrangement for the 2017 Service Year

by wifibandit in

september 21, 2016 to all congregations re: global assistance arrangement for the 2017 service year.

ps to bodies of elders:.

this postscript should not be read to the congregation, and this letter should not be placed on the noticeboard.

StephaneLaliberte

WOW! 14$? They are asking even more money from people in the states. What the heck???

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WT 1/2017: "Why is the Bible sometimes misunderstood?"

by Schnufti in

the bible is designed to be understood by those who are humble and willing to learn.

jesus said to his father: “i publicly praise you, father, lord of heaven and earth, because you have carefully hidden these things from wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children.” (luke 10:21) the bible is written in such a way that only those with the right attitude would understand its message.

people with a proud attitude—a common trait of “wise and intellectual ones”—tend to misunderstand the bible.

StephaneLaliberte

I'd ask: "Give me an example of what I don't understand in the bible."

- They would likely go on about the trinity, hell fire, the earthly/heavenly hope or some other theological things.

Why would being proud prevent them to understand these truth? What does it mean to be proud?

Or let me ask you this: Would a humble person knock on his neighbors doors and tell them: Unless you understand the bible exactly, precisely as I do, than you are too proud to be a true christen? Shouldn't there be some leeway? Don't you see the irony?

Just consider for a second that salvation is much simpler than what you think. What does God wants in the end? To get rid of bad people and keep good people. So, what does it mean to be good? For instance, Would God kill a hard working widow, mother of two, simply because she turns you down at her door step and keeps believing in Hell, Heaven and the Trinity? Could it be that your are too proud to admit that you do not have monopoly on what is good and evil? That people can be saved by their love? Not knowledge? Jesus came to free the people from the heavy load of their religious leaders. And yet, here you are, telling people that they will die unless they join you.

This is the fact you must face: unable to see the simplicity of the teachings of the Christ, you are like that Pharisee, praying on the corner of the street, thanking God loudly that you are not like one of these sinners.

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2016-09-21 BOE Re: Global Assistance Arrangement for the 2017 Service Year

by wifibandit in

september 21, 2016 to all congregations re: global assistance arrangement for the 2017 service year.

ps to bodies of elders:.

this postscript should not be read to the congregation, and this letter should not be placed on the noticeboard.

StephaneLaliberte

wow DwainBowman and millie210 I didn't know that the watchtower could be coercive at such a strong level. I'm not even being sarcastic here. I just didn't know they'd go that far.

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Things you'd never read in the Bible

by Tahoe in

mock the week is a british improvised, satirical celebrity panel show, like whose line is it anyway?

performers deliver answers on unexpected subjects on the spur of the moment.

i found it quite funny and thought i would pass it along.

StephaneLaliberte

I choked up on the Dr. Pepper joke!

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The Watchtower try to give a modern twist to the scriptures.

by StephaneLaliberte in

i was listening to the september broadcasting, where david splain talks about how jacob met with esau.

david splain: how did jacob react?

did he try to show how important and prominent he had become?

StephaneLaliberte

I was listening to the September broadcasting, where David Splain talks about how Jacob met with Esau. And said:

David Splain: How did Jacob react? Did he try to go “tit for tat”? Did he try to show how important and prominent he had become? With all of the blessings he’s received? Did he re-open old wounds? Did he argue with his brother? Did he say: You know, I was right all along and you Esau, you’ve been wrong? Did he demand an apology? No. There was a lot that Jacob could have bragged about, no question about that. There was no doubt that Jacob had Jehovah’s blessing. […] Jacob settled any lingering differences not with his fists, not with a bragging tongue, not with a weapon, but humbly. Like a real man. Like a spiritual man.

Obviously, he is trying to make a point about how to settle differences between brothers and sisters. Unfortunately, the story he is portraying is not what the bible reports.

Gen 32:6  In time the messengers returned to Jacob, saying: “We met your brother Eʹsau, and he is now on his way to meet you, and there are 400 men with him.” 7 And Jacob became very frightened and anxious. So he divided the people who were with him, as well as the flocks, the cattle, and the camels, into two camps. 8 He said: “If Eʹsau attacks the one camp, then the other camp will be able to escape.”

Jacob was scared. His brother was back with a small army and his camp would not have been able to hold its ground. He was so scared that he broke his camp in two, and moved them by priority: His servants at the front, so, if they died, well, he still would've had Le’ah and her kids! And if they died as well? then... he had Rachel and Joseph way at the back.

Are these the actions of a holy man who was convinced he had the blessing of Jehovah? Really?

These brothers read the bible and make it say things like they want to hear it. For example, at about 5 minutes in, he said about Jacob that he had 11 sons:

11 sons in 7 years? How is that possible? Easy when you remember that Jacob has 2 wives and 2 concubines, or secondary wives.

Really? Secondary wives? He had two wives already. As he had married Leah first, Rachel was the Secondary wife (even if she was first in Jacob's heart). As for the concubines, they were nothing more than mistresses that were living in house.

Of course, to admit that the man of old were not satisfied sexually with just one woman didn't sound too good, so they say: Secondary Wives.

Did not Abraham get rid of Hagar (a concubine) by sending her out into the wilderness with her son Ishmael? She obviously didn’t get the “secondary wife” treatment!