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  Well my grandpa just died...

  by bluesbreaker59 in

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  so, i get the call today from my aunt, who still speaks to me, and she fills me in, and tells me the visitation is friday (i'm not going), and the funeral is saturday.

  my dad told her that he wants me to "sit with the family".

  i never went to pay my last respects to him or talk to him, because he was an elder forever, and i was told he wouldn't speak to me, so i never went and never sent a card, nothing.

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  Well I've not been "out" or DF'd for years. My DF announcement just happened in March of 2007. I stopped attending in Dec. 2006. So I'm still getting used to being shunned, living life without my dad, his family, the religion, etc. This is actually my step-mom's dad, but he's been a part of my life since I was around 10, and he was a good, decent man.

  This all came so quickly, he was diagnosed with an inoperable brain cancer and died inside of 1 month. He left behind a wife of many, many years, 3 daughters (1 DF'd), and 4 grandkids (2 MS, 1 good dub, 1 DF'd(me)).
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  Well my grandpa just died...

  by bluesbreaker59 in

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  so, i get the call today from my aunt, who still speaks to me, and she fills me in, and tells me the visitation is friday (i'm not going), and the funeral is saturday.

  my dad told her that he wants me to "sit with the family".

  i never went to pay my last respects to him or talk to him, because he was an elder forever, and i was told he wouldn't speak to me, so i never went and never sent a card, nothing.

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  The meal thing didn't bother me anyway. Because generally speaking when I attend funerals I don't do the dinner thing anyway. Something about all that death, just makes me lose my appetite. So this really wasn't a big deal for me, plus I have to play that afternoon with my band.
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  Well my grandpa just died...

  by bluesbreaker59 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, i get the call today from my aunt, who still speaks to me, and she fills me in, and tells me the visitation is friday (i'm not going), and the funeral is saturday.

  my dad told her that he wants me to "sit with the family".

  i never went to pay my last respects to him or talk to him, because he was an elder forever, and i was told he wouldn't speak to me, so i never went and never sent a card, nothing.

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  So, I get the call today from my aunt, who still speaks to me, and she fills me in, and tells me the visitation is Friday (I'm not going), and the funeral is Saturday. My dad told her that he wants me to "sit with the family". I never went to pay my last respects to him or talk to him, because he was an elder forever, and I was told he wouldn't speak to me, so I never went and never sent a card, nothing. Now I'm told to come to the funeral and sit by the family, but apparently I'm not supposed to be at the dinner to follow (?)

  How does all this stuff work? I have one aunt that will be there (grandpa's daughter) that is also DF'd, and she will also be with the family. I'm just afraid of people coming up to me and telling me to go back to meetings or being "shocked" by my appearance, (I have a goatee now), or my family saying that "they miss me". I miss them too, but I've told them to stop by or give me a ring when in the area, and that I won't go back to meetings "just for family", because that is not what the church teaches is the valid reason for going. I also refuse to have all my thoughts, and actions controlled that strongly again.

  So all ye DF'd ones, how'd you handle this sort of situation. The room will be about 85% Dubs, can they speak to me, can I hug my grandma and my stepmom for their loss??? Sorry I'm just a confused young guy.
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  Does your personality type affect your belief in the divine?

  by Paralipomenon in

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  recently, i was reacquainted with a friend that i knew since i started grade school.

  he grew up in the world wide church of god and i as a witness.

  neither of us did christmas so often we would find ourselves in the library while the rest of the school did christmas activities.. .

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  bluesbreaker59

  INTJ

  Born a Dub, DF'd at 25

  Now: searching, but leaning towards "spiritual, but not religious" I think
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  Do you ever wonder what people on here look like?

  by changeling in

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  i'm influenced by the avatars too.

  like, i think purple sofa looks like audrey hepburn, and willyloman is a "burnin hunk'a love" and nvrgnbk looks like a sufer dude.

  the wanderer is a skinny guy with glasses who never looks you in the eye.. how do you picture fellow posters?.

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  You've seen those stocky, strapping broad shouldered country boys with bright blue eyes and a heart of gold? That's me, no kidding at all. Brown short hair, blue eyes (my best feature), a goatee and mutton chop sideburns. Usually found with guitars or whiskey or both...

  If anyone really wants to see me, pm for my myspace.
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  Interesting conversation with someone in the borg

  by veen in

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  so i was working with this dude, a carpenter.

  he mentions that the dc is coming up next weekend and asks if i'm going to attend.

  i tell him no, because i don't believe any of it and he's totally shocked.

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  What a truly SAD, SAD tale!!!! Ridiculous!!! I bet that kid has terrible, terrible issues, what a horrible thing to do to your child.
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  Am I allowed to see a friend get baptised following a year of my fading?

  by mtsgrad in

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  today my wife told me a teenage friend of mine is getting baptised this weekend and she wants me to come.

  would it be hypocritical as a fader to attend?.

  a reproved mtsgrad.

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  The short, simple, sweet answer is: no, no reason for it at all.
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  Well, well, well, things are certainly changing...

  by bluesbreaker59 in

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  you know here lately, my life has had lots of ups and downs.

  this was my first year of not going to district convention, my (step) grandpa developed brain cancer, my dad and most of his family won't speak to me, and my girlfriend and i were having troubles.

  on the other hand, my mom and her side of the family have embraced me, my cousin (that left the borg) and i are closer than ever, my girlfriend is super, my band plays all the time, and i've got a great group of friends.

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  Honestly tho, I'm curious why the need to get the family out?

  Well, here's why, I'm DF'd, therefore they won't speak to me, unless its a family issue or business related. I was raised by my dad, since I was 5, and I'm tired of not being able to have a relationship with him. I don't care if they choose to stay in, BUT, I think they need to seriously reconsider the importance of family relations, and also how they are being hypocrites by talking to my cousin, who has been a "marked" person since he was in his teens. He's living with a woman, and they still talk to him, and hang out, yet, I commit the same "sin" of immorality, and they cut me off cold turkey, because I was dunked in a pool when I was 15. THAT IS RIDICULOUS!!!
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  Well, well, well, things are certainly changing...

  by bluesbreaker59 in

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  you know here lately, my life has had lots of ups and downs.

  this was my first year of not going to district convention, my (step) grandpa developed brain cancer, my dad and most of his family won't speak to me, and my girlfriend and i were having troubles.

  on the other hand, my mom and her side of the family have embraced me, my cousin (that left the borg) and i are closer than ever, my girlfriend is super, my band plays all the time, and i've got a great group of friends.

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  Well my friend and I had a conversation last night and compared everything that we've read, and studied. He came to some interesting conclusions in his research, some similar to mine, and others that were way off from mine. Basically he feels that while there are many issues with the organization, including things like:

  1. Birthdays - not really much Biblical backup for this

  2. Founder of the org - He has many issues with Russell as do I, but he said, basically after he passed the borg started doing things more closely following the bible instead of incorporating pyramidology, etc. I still believe that you must look at the past, and the history, to determine ANY organizations worth, its also a good indicator of the future, generally speaking.

  3. Predictions - what is it Zero for Seven now???

  4. Judicial Committees - no Biblical backup for this (only IF the sinner wants the guidance of the "older men")

  5. Smoking - I personally believe the bible addresses this, he does not feel that it does sufficiently.

  6. Other man made rules - how to dress, how to have sex, certain music, tatoos, certain holidays, etc.

  7. Molest cases - even though its an issue, we don't think there is necessarily any greater % than any other group, the issue is the reporting.

  HOWEVER, he stated a couple times, that he thinks, generally speaking that the witnesses have many truths, and have many good principles to live by, but DUE TO BEING IMPERFECT MEN, they often times make mistakes, especially the leadership. He said after he's had time to look into other religions, that they all have their own set of issues, and that being in an organized religion isn't necessary, but following THE BIBLE, is necessary. He also pointed me to a friend of his that is near me to chat with a bit about stuff, and told me to keep reading and analyzing everything. This friend, used to be an elder, and is still in, but has his own doubts, and has done much research. My friend basically feels like if he had to pick one organized religion BASED ON PRINCIPLES and BIBLICAL RESEARCH, not on the faults of men, that he'd be a witness, however, he said that he's not willing to submit to men, and some of their rules, so basically he's in limbo.

  As far as being an apostate, I wouldn't even give myself that title yet. The borg would, because I don't believe everything lock, stock and barrel, and I probably never will, too much is based on "blind faith in men", IMHO. Which is really the problem that I have with most religious groups.
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  Well, well, well, things are certainly changing...

  by bluesbreaker59 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you know here lately, my life has had lots of ups and downs.

  this was my first year of not going to district convention, my (step) grandpa developed brain cancer, my dad and most of his family won't speak to me, and my girlfriend and i were having troubles.

  on the other hand, my mom and her side of the family have embraced me, my cousin (that left the borg) and i are closer than ever, my girlfriend is super, my band plays all the time, and i've got a great group of friends.

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  bluesbreaker59

  You know here lately, my life has had lots of ups and downs. This was my first year of not going to District Convention, my (step) grandpa developed brain cancer, my dad and most of his family won't speak to me, and my girlfriend and I were having troubles. On the other hand, my mom and her side of the family have embraced me, my cousin (that left the borg) and I are closer than ever, my girlfriend is super, my band plays all the time, and I've got a great group of friends.

  However, recently, I've been sharing the research I've done with my cousin (unbaptized, but marked), then today I shared it with one of my old witness buddies that quit going about 3 years ago and moved out of state. My cousin (dad's side) and I have been life long best friends, he was "marked" at age 16 for smoking, and now lives with his fiancee, and the family still speaks to him. So he's heard that they aren't speaking to me anymore, so he's been brow beating them into talking to me, and telling them how cult like their tactics are of cutting me off. He's been doing his own research too, and was AMAZED at much of the info on Russell and Rutherford, and also the Society in general.

  For some background, my cousin and I have had "doubts" since we were at least 12 or so. Around 14 they started pressuring us to get baptized, well, I fell for it, and at 15 I did the deed. Well my cousin, was constantly "studying the questions" but he never got baptized. He realized back then that something "wasn't right" and that he didn't want that kind of commitment. So we used to share our opinions with each other, like how we were always suspicious of the donations, and also of exactly who the governing body were and why weren't allowed to question them. There were also certain beliefs, like birthdays, certain holidays, Armageddon, etc, that we just never really believed.

  Tonight my other friend and I are comparing notes, on what research that we've found, and discuss. Then in a couple months, the three of us are planning on getting together and trying to figure out how to get our families out.