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  The Watchtower and The Memorial

  by jakes in

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  the fundamental doctrines of the watchtower hinge on one teaching, and that is that jerusalem was destroyed in 607bce.

  it is well documented by now that not one secular source supports the date given by the watchtower for the fall of jerusalem.

  in the field of archaeology much work has been done since the 1800s when this date was first coined.

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  Proclaimers chap. 10 p. 137 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth
  As the events following 1914 began to unfold and the Bible Students compared these with what the Master had foretold, they gradually came to appreciate that they were living in the last days of the old system and that they had been since 1914. They also came to understand that it was in the year 1914 that Christ's invisible presence had begun and that this was, not by his personally returning (even invisibly) to the vicinity of the earth, but by his directing his attention toward the earth as ruling King.

  you know everytime I see this its like I am reading it for the first time.

  How did this never raise eyebrowes?? How did this not stir anything up?? I mean really,,, we all know the WTS spins and twists words and manipulates words so they can have multiple meanings, thus giving time to see how things pan out and they can later choose the "meaning" that suits them, but really??

  What the hell is this statement supposed to mean?
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  The Watchtower and The Memorial

  by jakes in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the fundamental doctrines of the watchtower hinge on one teaching, and that is that jerusalem was destroyed in 607bce.

  it is well documented by now that not one secular source supports the date given by the watchtower for the fall of jerusalem.

  in the field of archaeology much work has been done since the 1800s when this date was first coined.

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  still_in74

  documented by now that not one secular source supports the date given by the Watchtower for the fall of Jerusalem. In the field of archaeology much work has been done since the 1800s when this date was first coined. The evidence proving that the city fell in 586/587BCE runs into the thousands by virtue of archaeological finds.

  However, the Watchtower is stuck with this date because of the 2520 years added to 607 BCE brings us to 1914 which according to them was the end of the Gentile Times mentioned in the book of Daniel. The 1914 date is also significant because of the teaching that Jesus was enthroned in heaven to rule and thereby marks the time of his second coming. This was now said to be an invisible second coming. But this is where it really gets interesting.

  If Christ returned in 1914, why do they still commemorate the Lord’s evening meal annually? The scripture in their very own New World Translation states at 1 Corinthians 11:26; “For as often as you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives.” It seems as if the JWs want it both ways.

  BINGO!!!

  welcome to enlightenment...
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  New " Witness Only " Watchtower - Even More Controlling - Check this Out

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it had been 5 years or more since i even read a watchtower article after exiting the witness cult in late 2003. but i was curious to see if the new " witness only " watchtowers were more controlling than i remember them being 5 years ago.

  and it certainly opened my eyes to the extreme control.

  when you have been away from it - you can really see the difference !

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  still_in74

  The final kicker in this article making me want to " hurl " was warning the witnesses to dismiss any critical words against the organization ! Notice this : " If any statements come to our ears that are critical of the truth or that cast aspersions on the congregation, the elders, or any of our brothers ( pedophiles included ? ), we do not accept them at face value. Rather we ask: " Is the one spreading this story acting in harmony with what the Bible says ? Do these stories or allegations further Jehovah's purpose ? Do they promote the peace of the congregation ? " Anything we hear that tears down the brotherhood ( of pedophiles ) rather than builds it up is a worthless thing . "

  Flipper,

  I read this article probably 3 times to make certain of how much information control was really being applied here. This WT stunned me. Especially this comment!
  Just what exactly does "Is the one spreading this story acting in harmony with what the Bible says ? Do these stories or allegations further Jehovah's purpose ? Do they promote the peace of the congregation ? " mean?

  Did you notice that the questions they have you ask yourself accomplish ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN DEFENDING THEIR FAITH???

  I couldnt believe it.
  So what does the bible say???(1 John 4:1)
  What does Jehovahs purpose have to do with anything???
  What does peace in the congregarion have to do with Truth??

  If someone is challenging your faith you are supposed to ask yourself: Wouldnt Satan challenge your faith? Is this person not possessed by demons? Is not anyone that says anything negative about the WTS an agent of the Devil? Should not this strengthen your faith in the almighty soveriegn Lord Jehovah and his FDS Class?

  SHEESH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  wackjob response to my inquiry

  by DaCheech in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  today i approached this elder in the hallway to pick his brains.. i said: "i've seen a couple of buildings sold in brooklyn?

  is there plan to sell all and move out"?.

  he said: "brother these are truly the last of minutes, and day there might not even be any bethel in us...... the persecution is going to be so extreme that bethel might be in...... rome, islands, or bla bla".

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  If there is growh its because Jehovahs spirit is afoot!

  If there's decline it's because the last days are drawing to a close and satan is gnashing his teeth!

  o how true that statement is.......... (sigh)

  how many more times must we here such pathetic logic?
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  When you went out in field service

  by megaflower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  how often did you have to talk yourself into going out?.

  how often did you wait till the end of the month to get some time in?.

  how often did you fudge your time?.

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  I never like service, even when I Aux. pioneered. I always hated it - just sometimes more than others.

  when I was a teenager I dreamt of doing anything other than being there.

  Now, if I get suckered into going it makes me ill. It cant end soon enough! When I see people look at me I realize they think I really believe this shit. If they only knew.

  I fake my 2 hours every month.
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  Urgent! Trucker strike, trucks blocking interstates nationwide!

  by Satans Son in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  effective april 1st, .

  nationwide, truckers will be going on strike.

  parking and piling their tractor trailers on interstate bridges, ramps, and places causing the maximum disruption of activities.. any example of hostilities, resistance, or effort to move these trucks will result in the sidewalls being slashed when left, as a counter.

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  still_in74

  truckers have been talking strikes for decades

  all truckers do is talk.
  when I used to drive I could stand channel 19, these guys think they know everthing! yak about politics, war, oil/gas, money, real estate, the legal system, etc etc.
  You would think there are only lawyers, politicians and economists driving trucks, except not one word ever spoken could ever be substantiated by even the tiniest of facts.

  The fact is they truckers will all talk a big talk and then when none of them have the balls to do it all the racist white truck drivers will say it was because of all the "sand-n----ers!"

  Sorry, but its the truth..............

  (PS - I know not all truck drivers are like this so dont freak out on me )
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  Bye-Bye Brooklyn....were OUTTA there! Real Estate news.

  by oompa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was told today by a heavyweight elders wife, both of whom were at bethel for many years and are very well connected to the brooklyn brass, that all brooklyn bethel operations will be moved to wallkill and patterson.

  in fact, there is a very exclusive walk-through next week for some of the top real estate investors/developers who will see all the properties, starting with the sands, and its lobby has now been remodeled to look just like a high-end hotel..................just fyi.................................oompa

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  still_in74

  Recently, my elderly father told me that their kingdom hall was building a small apartment for a couple from "Bethel". It will only be an efficiency type of an apartment. When I asked who would pay for this, he said tha tthe congregationl would. He said it would cost about $100K to do this.

  WTF? A 100K? Why should the cong. be burdened with that expense? They should get their own jobs.

  They have been members of their congreation for about 35 years. Hardly anyone comes to visit them.

  My grandfather is an elder for decades and said this same thing to me the other day. He had been visiting an old super-pioneer in his 90's shortly before he died recently and noticed that even in the "truth" their are almost no visitors - even family. He watched his wife in a home for years have almost no visitors ever until she died.

  It's pretty sad that an "apostate" daughter had to tell her parents when the Memorial service was. I really didn't care that they go, but I was trying to be kind. I made sure my mom had something appropriate to where. At the last minute my mom refused to leave the house.

  the fact that you would do this shows that your love is unconditional. If only JW's were the same way... your parents are lucky to have you....
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  Absurdity in the Bible

  by darth frosty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  not to diss anyones beliefs, i thought this was humorous.. .

  absurdity in the bible .

  if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.--1 cor.14:38 .

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  still_in74

  So which is it? Was the vision itself 6 literal days long, or where the 6 days figurative for "Huge amounts of years"?

  And where are you pulling the 7000 years from? Also, if a day to god is 7000 years why are you multiplying it by an additional 360? And if a day to god is 7000 x 360 years then why are you multiplying it by an additional 1000?

  I am glad to see i am not the only one to have noticed this!
  However i must admit I didnt go as far to catch the 7000 x 360 redundancy.
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  I Missed Memorial - First time in 30 years! Thanks to you!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last year i turned up to make everyone happy.......but this year i just could'nt force myself to go.

  some witnesses called on the day to "encourage" us to go....my mum called to make sure i go.....but i just couldn't put my tie on!

  after being on this site for awhile i feel like i have moved on.

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  I was told by the witnesses for over 40 years that each year the amount would get lower and lower, with them getting old and passing away. Then they changed that, to say more younger ones were being "Enlightened"???????Whatever

  well I had the privilege of listening to a "sister" repeat what an "elder" told her about that. ... that is the reason the numbers are increasing is because sooooo many new bible studies attend the memorial now in Mexico and other 3rd world countries that some people partake because they dont know that their "not supposed to".

  And even better, the rumour now is that the GB "thinks" their is actually only 500 "real" annointed on earth. Oh of course this is not substantiated by any documentation. Just a great little rumour to keep the R&F on their toes without any liability going back to the GB.
  Well that is a lot lower than 9,200 and 50% lower than the figure of only 1000 "real" annointed my PO kept on talking about 3 years ago!
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  I Missed Memorial - First time in 30 years! Thanks to you!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last year i turned up to make everyone happy.......but this year i just could'nt force myself to go.

  some witnesses called on the day to "encourage" us to go....my mum called to make sure i go.....but i just couldn't put my tie on!

  after being on this site for awhile i feel like i have moved on.

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  still_in74

  still in? does that mean you are "still in?"

  Yup,