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  Brothers told to stop being wasteful!

  by dmouse in

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  i wonder what the real reason is behind this plea from the wbts.

  perhaps it is more evidence of a desire to downsize?.

  but they can't downsize the printing works if the brothers are being wasteful!

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  Why should the society care if the publishers give it to people who don't appreciate it or ?

  First think of the WTBTS as a privately controlled Corporation that just happens to market their own brand of religion while enjoying the benefit of tax-exemptions, at least in the most lucrative business environments.

  Secondly other than inheritance, lotto wind falls (or stock options, lol), there are only two ways of legally increasing an entities (Jehovah's earthly organization or otherwise) net worth; increase income or decrease expenses.

  It appears even the WTBTS isnt yet crass enough to increase income by openly begging for increased donations in return for less religious product, so they've most likely exercised the easily controllable option which is to save manufacturing costs by 'urging' consumers (Jehovahs Witnesses) to conserve printed material while expecting they will continue to provide financially as per usual.

  Also, exercising the concept of 'conserving' Watchtower and Awake! magazines has the added PR benefit of self-righteously acting like they've, single-handedly, just saved the rain forests or the immense Alaskan/Porcupine River caribou herd.

  Edited by - Flip on 24 August 2002 18:31:50
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  WT Says Jehovah a mistake

  by garybuss in

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  "as to the old testament name of god, certainly the spelling and pronunciation "jehovah" were originally a blunder.

  (the bible in living english, 1972, p.7, watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania) .

  what's the deal?

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  But, it is a fact that there are probably... /You Know

  Ouch.
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  What is the Height of Arrogance?

  by Francois in

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  an ant standing on a ladder, poking an elephant.. a coconut falls from a tree, hitting the elephant on the head.

  the elephant says, "oooof.".

  the ant says, "suffer bitch.".

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  What is the Height of Arrogance?

  3 1/2 ft at sea level and a temperature of 68 degrees F.
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  Is there anything that could make you go back?

  by sleepy in

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  is there anything that could make you go back?.

  what do you think, is there any change of belief or change of circumstance that could make you return to the jw fold?.

  i cant see anything that could make me go back,but i was thinking mabye some of you religious types would go back if they changed some doctrinal things,or if they stopped banning blood.. how about if a family member was dying and hoped to see you in paradise would you go back for a while just to make them feel happy?

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  is there any change of belief or change of circumstance that could make you return to the JW fold?

  Thats like asking a thievish group who once left you psychologically destitute and financially retarded back into your rebuilt life because theyve confessed to having turned over a new leaf.

  How about if a family member was dying and hoped to see you in paradise would you go back for a while just to make them feel happy?

  As to the above, theres little another can do to make a shallow, selfish person happy that doesn t involve sacrificing ones own self-respect.

  No doubt the WTBTS would agree and is making every effort so non-cooperative, informed Jehovahs or 'apostates' leave or remain home rather than return to disrupt the 'geese' (existing congregations who justify the need for a tax exempt status to the Governments) that lay their 'golden eggs'.
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  Did you know I am a "horrible person"?

  by Mulan in

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  i spoke to my niece last night, who is getting a divorce.

  her soon to be ex-husband told her it was announced that she is disassociated, recently.

  news to all of us.

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  ...how HORRIBLE all people who stop going to meetings are. They are just horrible apostates.

  Mulan, perhaps your niece's soon to be ex-husband didn't actually mean 'horrible', rather ... any Jehovah's Witnesses standing up and trying to truthfully expose the WTBTS for what it really is, are revolting.
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  CNN Connie Chung Repeat on NOW!!!

  by hawkaw in

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  11:00pm eastern, 10:00pm central, 8:00pm pacific.. watch.

  its in the second half of the show.. for those who missed it!!!.

  hawk

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  Unfortunately, CNN only televised a condensed 1/2 hr version that didn't included the expose of the WTBTS policy of silencing abuse victims and those who speak up on their behalf.
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  Thank you and goodbye.

  by Cath in

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  i have been coming to this forum since around september 2001 and although i haven't had much to say i have gained a lot by just coming here and reading.

  i have laughed and cried and got really angry along with posters here and have enjoyed most of my time here.

  now i am moving to the country to be with my daughter and her kids and i won't have internet access there which is a good thing because it will get me out from behind this screen.

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  Just when I thought this was the beginning of a beautiful friendship ... the drone of the aircraft engines fade as I amble alone across the darkening, fog-dampened runway. Nothing left that beckons but the distant, familiar flash of neon 'Simon's Internet Cafe' .
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  On The Art Of Fading

  by expatbrit in

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  in october of 2000, i faded away from the watchtower.

  like most people, i have family and friends who are jw's (including my wife and parents).

  fading is generally the best method for people in that situation.

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  Fading ... "... And when you're gone, stay gone." - Pulp Fiction

  Ex, I've used most of the tecniques you've outlined to a high degree of success, but I can't help but think the WT Society would also prefer questioning Jehovah's Witnesses (incongruous term) follow your advice.

  Less disruptive to the Societies continuation of its own corporate 'system of things'.
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  Did The Times Article Make Your Paper?

  by Kenneson in

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  i thought it would be interesting to list all the papers that carried the new york times article.

  yesterday, i noted the orange county register (california), someone else the santa barbara news-press (california) and still another the denver post (colorado).

  today i came across it in the lexington herald (kentucky).

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  Then, why are JWS DFD for gambling?

  I suspect practicing the questionable 'sin' of gambling is not so much the reason for disfellowshipment, rather a Jehovah's Witness is spending the WT corporations money gambling when the green stuff should be going into the corporate 'contribution' boxes.

  Not to mention the effects a brother or sister might have on the congregation if they should happen to joyously declare that they actually come out ahead at the tables during the weekend special in Vegas. Imagine ... the Tuesday night book study being held between shuffles at the Mirage BJ tables.
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  Would you condone abortion?

  by haujobbz in

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  today i questioned my mother about the fact that she told me ?

  yrs ago how she lost 2 kids through a miscarriage but then later told me she aborted them,well i didnt know what to say, but then later questioned her about this i asked her why she did it, she told me that she was already bringing up me and my sister and financialy impossible to look after two more kids,well i didnt agree with that reason or any reason to kill the unborn she then said she wasnt in the truth then "huh what difference does that make".

  then she gave an illustration of reasons when you should condone abortion and it goes like this, if you were raped and later found out you were pregnant what would you do she seemed to say she would abort it,i said i wouldnt if that happened to my wife i said i would probably end up having it adopted,after all its better than murder.. how has this affected my familys view on abortion i wonder, well i have 5 sisters and 1 more brother,and already my brother in cold blood made his girlfriend abort hers due to the inconvienience,and also my older sister had hers aborted 2 yrs ago because the father didnt want to know with out a hint of regret,so im now starting to see a pattern in my family,whos to blame them or my mother as a role model.. so to cut a long story short do you think killing an unborn child is murder,would you do it under certain scenarios.

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  We of the ANTI ABORTION movement have over 26,000,000 official members and our numbers are growing each year.

  Of course, everyone involved with our ANTI ABORTION movement abhors the abortion process so let it be known, we are instigating a revolutionary program that no longer chastises anyone regardless of cause, either misfortune, mental illness or lack of intelligence or unfortunate decision making.

  This program, as an ANTI ABORTIONIST group, will provide unlimited financial support, shelter, food, clothing all the necessities of life, without judgment of the mothers past live style or its cause, a safe, loving and supportive environment for as long as the child, mother / father in question, anywhere on the face of the planet, is in need. Regardless of whether the mother/father designated or undesignated guardian chooses to raise the child together, alone or not at all.

  It was been unanimously accepted into our movements charter; if we, the ANTI-ABORTION MOVEMENT are taking on the responsibility of affecting the lives of individuals by protesting the deaths of their unborn children we vow at the same time to become our brothers keeper and accept all responsibilities of our choice and the choices we make for others.

  Please phone our toll free number 1 800 555 **** - Millions of willing operators are waiting to sacrifice their lives to assist you. Mothers living in third world country may turn to any place of worship regardless of faith (not including buildings that advertise Kingdom Halls) and they will make sure you and your child will be directed to the caring arms of the ANTI ABORTION movement.

  We take the death of unborn children seriously regardless of circumstance or lack thereof. So seriously that we believe this new ANTI ABORTION program and the accompanying love and financial support, regardless of hardship to our ANTI ABORTION members will render abortion totally unnecessary and the realization of our personal beliefs and desires a success.

  Fantasy you say?!

  you bet.

  Edited by - Flip on 12 August 2002 22:4:22