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144 thousand

by jody in

hey i need help.

i am stuck trying to explain when the 144 thousand without any refference material.

i am stuck in a remote lacal debating a couple of things and this topice came up.

The 144,000 is the Israelite remnant that are saved, also known as "the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND of ALL THE TRIBES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. (Revelation 7:4)

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an HUNDRED FORTY AND FORTY THOUSAND, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being THE FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb. (Revelation 14:1-4)

These are the Israelites/Jews that entered the New Covenant first.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to THE JEW FIRST, and also to the Greek. (Romans 1:16)

There is more than 144,000 Israelites that will be saved. No one can count the number of Gentiles that are saved in Revelation chapter 7.

After this I beheld, and, lo, A GREAT MULTITUDE, WHICH NO MAN COULD NUMBER, OF ALL NATIONS, AND KINDREDS, AND PEOPLE, AND TONGUES, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; (Revelation 7:9)

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Godhead

by Messianic in

romans 1:20 is the second place the word "godhead" is found in the scripture.

in this verse the apostle starts off saying "the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen.

paul was speaking about god's divine nature, and was not talking about three manifestations of god.

Messianic

Where are the real Jehovah witnesses at? The best doctrinal discussions come about when we use the Scriptures. Anyone have a bible? :D

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Peace be unto you!

by Messianic in

i just joined the forum, and wanted to say peace be unto all!

i hope to have some good doctrinal discussions on this forum.

Messianic

Thanks to everyone for the welcome, and the warnings.

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Godhead

by Messianic in

romans 1:20 is the second place the word "godhead" is found in the scripture.

in this verse the apostle starts off saying "the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen.

paul was speaking about god's divine nature, and was not talking about three manifestations of god.

Messianic

The true definition of the word "Godhead" eliminates trinitarianism, and binitarianism.

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Godhead

by Messianic in

romans 1:20 is the second place the word "godhead" is found in the scripture.

in this verse the apostle starts off saying "the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen.

paul was speaking about god's divine nature, and was not talking about three manifestations of god.

Messianic

Grace, mercy, peace and truth to you in the name of Jesus our Messiah. This is a study about the Godhead that I have been desiring to write about for some time now, and I hope to make this as simple, and short as possible. To begin, lets view the scriptures that speak of the Godhead.

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(Acts 17:29) Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, graven by art and man's device.

(Romans 1:20) For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

(Colossians 2:9) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

These are the only three places in the scriptures where the word "Godhead" is written. I believe it is very important to understand how the word Godhead is used in these verses, and to accomplish this we must look at the original Greek definition which is found in Thayer’s Greek Dictionary.

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(Acts 17:29) Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, graven by art and man's device.

Acts 17:29 is the first place the word "Godhead" is found in the scripture. In Acts chapter 17 the apostle Paul was preaching to the people of Athens which worshipped idols. He saw an altar with the words scribed "TO THE UNKNOWN GOD" which had no graven image, and he said, "Him I declare unto you." Paul, being a Jew, an Israeli, a Benjamite, did not point to a graven image, and say, "Him I declare unto you" because Israelites are forbidden to worship idols.

The apostle said that we are the offspring (descendants) of God, and since we are His descendants it proves that God is not made of gold, silver, or graven art because if He was then we would be made of gold, silver, wood, or stone (seeing that we are His descendants).

The Greek word for Godhead in Acts 17:29 is "theios" which simply means Diety (Strong's Greek #2304) which is the Creator (source) of creation. Paul was speaking about the Spirit of GOD, and was not talking about three manifestations of God.

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(Romans 1:20) For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Romans 1:20 is the second place the word "Godhead" is found in the scripture. In this verse the apostle starts off saying "the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen." How are the invisible things of God clearly seen? Paul taught these invisible things were clearly seen and "understood by the things that are made" or as the apostle said in another place "Does not nature itself teach you?"

The Greek word for Godhead in Acts 17:29 is "theiotes" (Strong's Greek #2305) which means Divine Nature. God's divine nature/behavior/character is revealed through His creation, especially through His Son, through His Christ, which is the expressed image of the invisible God. Paul was speaking about GOD'S DIVINE NATURE, and was not talking about three manifestations of God.

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(Colossians 2:9) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

Colossians 2:19 is the third and last place the word "Godhead" is found in the Holy Book. This verse is short and simple, yet very powerful. Paul said that all the fullness of the Godhead dwells in the Messiah bodily, that is to say that God Himself was inside the Christ reconciling the world unto Himself.

The Greek word for Godhead in Colossians 2:19 is "theotes" (Strong's Greek #2305) which means Deity or state of being God, in plainer terms GOD HIMSELF. Godhead does not mean trinity or three manifestations of God. Godhead is God Himself who is manifested (revealed) through the flesh of the Son of God, His Christ.

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Peace be unto you!

by Messianic in

i just joined the forum, and wanted to say peace be unto all!

i hope to have some good doctrinal discussions on this forum.

Messianic

I just joined the forum, and wanted to say peace be unto all! I hope to have some good doctrinal discussions on this forum.