here's the deal: if you are an atheist you still must come to grips with the ultimate question, that is, why is there something rather than nothing?
even a universe with nothing more than a tiny electron floating about would require a reason as to why it exists.
our universe is one in which there are, almost literally, but not quite, an infinite amount of electrons (and protons, neutrons, etc.
LT:
Of course, the scenario above could be interpreted to have us in the role of lab rats.
That's what scares me about the book of Job. A fight broke out between the Creator and one of his disobedient sons, and Job was the lab rat???? Couldn't the story of Job be the microcosm (sp? and right word to use?) for the explanation of the condition of the human race? Maybe it's all about or all between superhuman creatures and we humans are caught in the middle?
i want to ask a deep question here, only because i want to know your answer..... i was listening to my mum and dad tonight watching a programme on the discovery channel about how in so many million years the sun will implode or explode and destroy all life in our solar system and beyond.
my dad was fascinated and was arguing with my mum who said it's rubbish because that isn't jehovah's purpose for the earth.
later i was thinking.
I don't think that i ridiculed the wt in this thread.SS
I don't think you did either, SS.
are there any current jehovahs witnesses here?.
what are your reasons for being here?
to find like minded people?
Observador:
Besides, I got very intrigued about why someone from the GB would want to lose his highly regarded "privilege". One day I'll tell you how trembling my legs were when I went to the bookshop to pick up my copy of COC!
Man oh man!
I didn't tremble when I got my book--but I made sure the bookstore, when they called me to let me know it was in, to be discreet over the phone just in case my hubby answered. Funny thing and I didn't believe it at first, but I think it's true...when I first entertaining thoughts of reading CoC, I found it on the computer at the library. When I went back to borrow it, first making sure it was still there, it had been taken off the data base at the library. I had hear stories that some witnesses that worked at libraries, who worked in the procurement of getting books for the library, made sure this book was removed. Who else would care that much to keep this book off the shelves except a witness?
here's the deal: if you are an atheist you still must come to grips with the ultimate question, that is, why is there something rather than nothing?
even a universe with nothing more than a tiny electron floating about would require a reason as to why it exists.
our universe is one in which there are, almost literally, but not quite, an infinite amount of electrons (and protons, neutrons, etc.
LittleToe:
FP are you saying that Euph has to give LR a BJ?
Of course not!!!
are there any current jehovahs witnesses here?.
what are your reasons for being here?
to find like minded people?
Hang in there Terri. Keep looking and searching..you may find a lot of answers right here, where you will get stronger with knowledge, not be confused and be able to one day run rings around your hubby. There will be a time where you will approach him with something or ask him something and he won't be able to answer you.
Also, I suggest you read Amazing's story of how he got out of the org. I just finished it the other day. It's a great story and you might be able to use some points in discussions with your hubby.
To Amazing: I'm not much for sending private messages, and I think this deserves public attention:
I loved your story---it was funny and sad all at the same time! It has helped me a lot. Still waiting to see a pic of your brother whom you say looks like Mel Gibson..unless you posted it somewhere already where I haven't looked.
when i signed up on jwd last summer, i was a total, total internet newbie.
i'd never been on a db before, never been in a chat room before, and didn't have a clue what im was.
lol talk about wet behind the ears .
ona:
So, you tell me...am I taking this board too seriously, as some have said to me privately? Is JWD doomed to die a 'typical' db death? Or will the synergy of our lives, and the lives of thousands more each year, make JWD an even better place to meet, heal, and move on?
I don't think this board would ever be doomed to die a 'typical' db death. Your second question says it all....
last year, we had a strange one at bethel.
a bro used to go on the adult chat channels, and send web cams of himself aroused for all to see.
any a little while later he sold his computer a bro and sis thinking that he had erased all the pictures.
It was to be handled the same as a person flashing in a public place.1. If it was a one off instance then it was UNCLEANESS and could be handled by just 2 elders and brushed under the carpet
So at the next district assembly if I streak across the platform I'll be ok as long as it is a one off and not a practice? Interesting....... sounds like a plan!
ROFLMBO!!!!!!!
here's the deal: if you are an atheist you still must come to grips with the ultimate question, that is, why is there something rather than nothing?
even a universe with nothing more than a tiny electron floating about would require a reason as to why it exists.
our universe is one in which there are, almost literally, but not quite, an infinite amount of electrons (and protons, neutrons, etc.
Awwww...come on guys...aren't you being a little to hard on Bradley? I enjoyed his post.
i want to ask a deep question here, only because i want to know your answer..... i was listening to my mum and dad tonight watching a programme on the discovery channel about how in so many million years the sun will implode or explode and destroy all life in our solar system and beyond.
my dad was fascinated and was arguing with my mum who said it's rubbish because that isn't jehovah's purpose for the earth.
later i was thinking.
Since stars are dying all the time and new ones are being reborn, I suppose our sun would die out eventually. There seems to be a cycle of life and death in everything. The weather, things wearing out, living things......so in that aspect I can see humans being the same way..but perhaps being reborn with no memory of our past life? Maybe that is true, but if it isn't, what of humans? Since I love science fiction, I would love to think that space travel would be in our future, and there would be another planet to inhabit. Maybe there are yet undiscovered wormholes (like on Stargate) that we can just step thru a portal and find ourselves somewhere else.
I have doubts the society has no idea what they're talking about, since they aren't scientists anyway, when they say there is no life on any other planet. Did God give them that information? I believe there might be life elsewhere, where the people didn't mess up so God had to fix things......OR maybe we are the beginning of people on other planets. We messed up, God will fix it, and we will know how to deal with and help other humans? on other planets when they are created...??? This is just all speculation, of course, but that's where my mind goes when I think about things like this.
are there any current jehovahs witnesses here?.
what are your reasons for being here?
to find like minded people?
I am a current witness. I agree a lot with what Still said. Also I have been on a JW discussion board for almost 7 years on AOL. There are many BACs who inhabit that board, and while all of them said they "loved" us and were concerned that we weren't being taught the "truth" many of them did not know how to make rational arguments and resorted to ad hominen attacks, which we retailated in return. But some of the BACs (Born-Again Christians) were very nice, and I learned a lot about more about certain interpretations of the scriptures from them. And I started to notice that the society does not discuss a lot of chapters in the Bible--they sort of leave them alone. In looking at these chapters, mostly in the Greek scriptures, I found some treasures and realized that the society does not (although it is stressed) consider the entire context of some scriptural text. They just pick out certain verses and make an application which most of the time is in error.
I have had questions all along, I have come to realize, but have kept them to myself. I decided earlier this year, that I would do a slow fade. The district convention this past year was agony for me. Now I've been to a lot of conventions over the years, and many of them were pretty good, but it seems like in the past few years, they've been going down hill. All I seem to hear is the droning on of subjects that I have heard since I was a child. (I was raised in the "truth"). I am of the old school I guess you would say, having spent my childhood in the '50's and my teen years in the '60's.
Several years ago I read CoC only to shut up witnesses and non-witnesses alike on the JW AOL board. I felt that I could not argue something about someone whom I have not read. Before that, I also was of the opinion that Ray Franz was an apostate, but when I started reading his book, I saw that he wasn't--and his book is not an attack on the society. I have ordered In Search of Christian Freedom to read as well. There are other things going on in my life as well that need resolution--and I'm not sure how they are going to turn out--but it's going to be a slow resolution.
I have also talked to athiests and agnostics on AOL, and their questions, somewhat, made me start questioning what I have been taught more than the BACs. After you're around them for a while and try to convince them that an invisible creature talking thru a snake made Eve eat of the fruit of the tree starts to sound silly. Plus trying to tell them that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914, and them asking for proof and you go to WWI, they will shoot that argument down in a heartbeat. It really started making me think more about what I have been taught. How can anybody put a date on anything superhuman beings might do? Some of my questions have to do with 1914-1918, Christ coming to clean his spiritual temple, and all that stuff. There is absolutely NO physical proof that this has happened. And if it did happen, then following the course of events in Revelation, everything should have been all over with by now. There wouldn't be this period of seeming peace since all that stuff "happened" during 1914-1918. It sort of leaves me hanging...if you know what I mean.
Plus, I think you guys are great. You have incredible wit; I love your sense of humor and the way you express yourselves about the "truth" and the Borg,---only another JW with a good sense of humor could appreciate it!!!!
