Simon wrote:
so firmly in cheek it's nearly coming out my ear
Your sexual imagery is blatant and in clear violation of the FPP. I am going to complain to the Site Administrator about this.
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17The Doorstep Presentation THAT TRULY WORKS!
by Focus ingreetings, dear worldly householder of the birdseed class, i'm a member of the great crowd of other sheep, or jonadabs (who are not marked in the forehead as would have been the case for one of the eternal remnant class of 144,000 whose membership was closed 64 years ago until new light from the great teacher of progressive revelation caused it to be understood that vacancies would from time to time occur), rendering sacred service to the ancient of days in the earthly courtyard of the spiritual temple by following the example of the fine shepherd and engaging as a member of the pioneer class in preaching the good news of the kingdom with the mouth-borne sword of the spirit now the 2,300 symbolic evenings have passed.
we are helping warn those not familiar with the divine name that the second presence of the chief agent of life who returned after being resurrected but not in his own body which was dematerialized into gases and after then being out of action has now already begun, and has in fact been in progress now for 86 years, and that no one else has noticed this totally obvious but wholly invisible event is irrefutable proof both that it is true and that our faith is the one true, all other ones being from their father, satan the devil.
we have a lot of proof to justify this reasonable view, including evidence as yet undiscovered.
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The Doorstep Presentation THAT TRULY WORKS!
by Focus ingreetings, dear worldly householder of the birdseed class, i'm a member of the great crowd of other sheep, or jonadabs (who are not marked in the forehead as would have been the case for one of the eternal remnant class of 144,000 whose membership was closed 64 years ago until new light from the great teacher of progressive revelation caused it to be understood that vacancies would from time to time occur), rendering sacred service to the ancient of days in the earthly courtyard of the spiritual temple by following the example of the fine shepherd and engaging as a member of the pioneer class in preaching the good news of the kingdom with the mouth-borne sword of the spirit now the 2,300 symbolic evenings have passed.
we are helping warn those not familiar with the divine name that the second presence of the chief agent of life who returned after being resurrected but not in his own body which was dematerialized into gases and after then being out of action has now already begun, and has in fact been in progress now for 86 years, and that no one else has noticed this totally obvious but wholly invisible event is irrefutable proof both that it is true and that our faith is the one true, all other ones being from their father, satan the devil.
we have a lot of proof to justify this reasonable view, including evidence as yet undiscovered.
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sf wrote:
Perhaps you overlooked this
Ah - you changed the thread subject! ADDRESSED TO YOU:
The answer received is: "a no one". Note: Not "no one"; it is not an acronym.
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The Doorstep Presentation THAT TRULY WORKS!
by Focus ingreetings, dear worldly householder of the birdseed class, i'm a member of the great crowd of other sheep, or jonadabs (who are not marked in the forehead as would have been the case for one of the eternal remnant class of 144,000 whose membership was closed 64 years ago until new light from the great teacher of progressive revelation caused it to be understood that vacancies would from time to time occur), rendering sacred service to the ancient of days in the earthly courtyard of the spiritual temple by following the example of the fine shepherd and engaging as a member of the pioneer class in preaching the good news of the kingdom with the mouth-borne sword of the spirit now the 2,300 symbolic evenings have passed.
we are helping warn those not familiar with the divine name that the second presence of the chief agent of life who returned after being resurrected but not in his own body which was dematerialized into gases and after then being out of action has now already begun, and has in fact been in progress now for 86 years, and that no one else has noticed this totally obvious but wholly invisible event is irrefutable proof both that it is true and that our faith is the one true, all other ones being from their father, satan the devil.
we have a lot of proof to justify this reasonable view, including evidence as yet undiscovered.
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Greetings, dear worldly householder of the birdseed class, I'm a member of the great crowd of other sheep, or Jonadabs (who are not marked in the forehead as would have been the case for one of the Eternal Remnant Class of 144,000 whose membership was closed 64 years ago until New Light from the Great Teacher of Progressive Revelation caused it to be understood that vacancies would from time to time occur), rendering sacred service to the Ancient of Days in the earthly courtyard of the spiritual temple by following the example of the fine shepherd and engaging as a member of the Pioneer Class in preaching the Good News of the Kingdom with the mouth-borne sword of the spirit now the 2,300 symbolic evenings have passed. We are helping warn those not familiar with the Divine Name that the second presence of the Chief Agent of Life who returned after being resurrected but not in his own body which was dematerialized into gases and after then being out of action has now already begun, and has in fact been in progress now for 86 years, and that no one else has noticed this totally obvious but wholly invisible event is irrefutable proof both that it is true and that our faith is the one true, all other ones being from their father, Satan The Devil. We have a lot of proof to justify this reasonable view, including evidence as yet undiscovered. Which reminds me that you may hear disturbing things about our Disciple-making and Kingdom-preaching work, and this shall be from vomit-eating dogs who speak with forked tongues, thereby proving we are the only true footstep followers of the one whose words are like a lamp to my foot. Among the fine spiritual food at the appropriate time that we shall serve now that the unsealing is done is the certain knowledge that very, very soon the final moments of the last days of that period known in venerable tradition as "the time of the end" will begin to reach their ultimate culmination when the disgusting thing that is the United Nations and the scarlet-colored Wild Beast of Revelation will turn upon the Great Harlot and thereby destroy Babylon the Great, the World Empire of False Religion, beginning the Great Tribulation which is climaxed by Har-Magedon - at which time all not associated with The Truth that leads to everlasting life will be destroyed forever together with this wicked system of things. The present ruler of the world, now in Tartarus, will be thrown into the abyss for the rest of the last Adam's millennial (thousand year) reign until the second judgment. However, antitypical apostate Jerusalem with her man of lawlessness Class is supporting the false prophet and fighting against the spirit-anointed remnant of spiritual Israel, the ambassadors of heavenly Jerusalem, and their envoys, who are keeping themselves without spot from the world and who would rather go to Sheol or Hades than Gehenna by rejecting the theocracy proclaimed by the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class and the Governing Body of God the grandfather's visible Organization, the spiritual paradise on earth today. So, if you don't want to be destroyed, here's a programme schedule for the Kingdom Hall, where you can come and learn much more about Evil Cults, New Jerusalem, New Heavens, New Earth, New Commandments, New Birth, New Song, New Creation, New Personality, New 'a god', New Bible Chapters (twice a month), New Comma, New Covenant, New Light - and even a New Gospel never taught before. Thank you for your time.. which is not to be confused with "a time" and "times and half a time". Without a doubt.
Optionally, Farkel's Addendum may be inserted if the conversation flags or if the householder appears confused. Here it is again:
"1914" A.D. is the single most important date in our doctrine, and is the result of using 607 B.C as an "anchor date", using the book of Daniel, Chapter 4, as proof. This is based upon the following, simple reasoning: 7 "times" doesn't mean "7 times". It means "7 years". But, "7 years" doesn't really mean 7 "years", either. It means "7 years of days" - obvious. But, the "days" in "years of days" doesn't really mean "years of days, in which the days actually mean "days", but means "years of days, in which the "days" actually mean "years". Therefore, it is easy for even a worldly fool to see that "7 times" REALLY means "7 years" but which really means "7 years of days", but which then really means "7 years of days which aren't really days, but years", or simply stated "7 years of days of which days are really years". To put it even so a child can understand it, it means that the "times" aren't "times" at all, but are "years", which aren't "years" at all, but are "years of days", which aren't "days" at all, but are "years" AFTER all, even though they were originally CALLED "times"! Got all that? There's more. Strangely, however, for all of this to work, this fulfillment, based upon an ANCIENT text, still requires the use of the ANCIENT calendar for the MODERN fulfillment to work out to 1914. Therefore, ancient text + ancient calendar = modern date in modern calendar. When doing your calculations, don't forget that there is no "zero year" from B.C to A.D. someone entirely unconnected with God's spirit-breathed organization forgot that and was quite embarrassed about it. Lastly, the book of Daniel was prophesied to remain "sealed" until the "last days", which, as we know, began in 1914, according to the simple reasoning just presented. So, the person had to figure out a way to, somehow "unseal" Daniel before it was prophesied that Daniel WOULD be "unsealed" so he could then put forth a prophecy which pointed to exactly when Daniel WAS to be "unsealed", namely at the start of the "last days", in 1914. He, therefore, successfully used a "sealed" book to calculate the exact date it was to be "unsealed", which at that time it was officially, "unsealed", but Russell "unsealed" it before that, because he wanted to know beforehand when it WOULD be "unsealed", because only THEN would he know when the "last days" were to start, which was, of course, when Daniel actually WAS to be "unsealed". Any questions?
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They Have Left Jehovah's Service
by Defender inthis is the standard accusation placed on those that were stumbled by the countless failed date settings of the society.
it happened right after 1914, after 1925, after 1975 and is gradually happening since 1995 after the 1914 generation failed.
since 1995, every year now on average, there are close to 200,000 that are leaving the society.
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So, the question is: "Are you faithful?"
No.
It is: "Isn't 'Mother' a lying bitch?"
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Hacking
by Kent inunfortunately, i can't post the material.
try http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?site=wo&date=20020125&category=news&artno=201250004&ref=ar.
yachyd da.
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198.68.179.2 is in use within school premises, so, sf, conclusions about the user are... And if Dominque probably can't spell his or her own name, it probably isn't his/her name - and the person is probably not bright enough to hack.
Instead, I would phone up (415) 925-4334 and ask if - somewhere in the office - there is a Carl Hornberger *OF Mill Valley* who uses the email addy [email protected] knocking about there. He just might be able to help and see who was logged on to 198.68.179.2 at the time of the hacking - what was the time of the hack, Kent? Phone lookup does not give a Carl Hornberger listed in CA, but does have a few C Hornberger's, one rather closer to San Rafael than the others... Or even email the guy, who is a sysadmin.
Kent - do you have a port scanner in place for the next visit?
HTH
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Ordered Complexity necessitates Design
by gravedancer injust a short question which probably was raised before.. the favorite argument of creationists: since there is such abundant complexity in the world around us and within us - doesn't this point point to design and therefore a designer (i.e.
god)?.
much info abounds on both sides of the answers to the question.
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freeman wrote:
It’s sad to observe that even when a creationist speaks facts
Ummmmm - W H A C K ! !
Correct instead is: "It's sad that freeman, who is no fool, has slipped up."
Here, I will show you that it is YOU and not AF or myself who is guilty of carelessness in replying accusatorily.
Now, the original poster wrote (my emphasis, and typo corrected):
doesn't this point to design and therefore a designer (i.e.
God)?However, the original poster DID NOT WRITE:doesn't this point to design and therefore a designer (e.g.
God)?SPOT THE DIFFERENCE?Now:
i.e. means "that is"
e.g. means "for example"So, had he/she used "e.g." instead of "i.e.", I would have had no quarrel with the statement made, as it would not have ruled out another designer - your stated "force" [sic!] of evolution.
But gravedancer did not. So the responses to his/her question by AF and myself were appropriate. And your said criticism of us was not. Get it?
Your joke that he misspelled "evolution" as "God" does not excuse or explain away your criticism of our responses. Stop being so eager to score points, freeman. Your intelligence is manifest. Do not misuse it... And learn some more Physics. It explains everything, in the end. Biology is but a halfway house, and Chemistry is for kiddies.
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Jehovah "Tempers his Justice"
by Norm insomeone among the top brass in brooklyn have had a rare moment of thought and come up with another adjustment in the endless line watchtower society new light.. some of you probably remember when they became tired of the expression: the society says, which of course identified to clearly who is really god in the lives of the witnesses, so they had to tell the witnesses to stop using that expression because it was extremely embarrassing.. this time it is another expression that shouldnt be used.
not at all of the magnitude of the example above but still sufficiently important to someone, probably in the gb.
i guess it took a couple of heated sessions in the gb to get this approved.
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Excellent, amusing, and brand new! Thanks, NH!
"Mercy"
"Justice"
Hahaha!!
I am currently examining the Watchtower usage of "imminent". Just staking my claim, so to speak...
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Ordered Complexity necessitates Design
by gravedancer injust a short question which probably was raised before.. the favorite argument of creationists: since there is such abundant complexity in the world around us and within us - doesn't this point point to design and therefore a designer (i.e.
god)?.
much info abounds on both sides of the answers to the question.
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AlanF wrote:
The idea can be illustrated by a 19th-century religionist saying, "I can't conceive how 500 people at a time could fly at 900 kilometers an hour; therefore God does not want humans to fly."
Now, one has to monitor this fellow very closely! You see, while maligning some unspecified 19th century faith, and not attacking the Watchtower explicitly, a habitual malefactor effectively "whitewashes by omission" (by blackening the surroundings) this filthy Cult!
Leave aside the alleged words of a 19th century religionist - I'll FOCUS on what an established "religion" officially taught right plumb in the middle of the 20th century! Here:
"Man on earth can no more get rid of these demonic 'heavens' (the organization of wicked spirits) than man can by airplane or rockets or other means get up above the air envelope which is about our earthly globe and in which man breathes."
And who uttered those words of wisdom, right at the time Wernher (also Werner) von Braun and others were perfecting rockets to do exactly that which the source quoted above so boldly declared was impossible?
The Watchtower, of course!
In the 1943 publication, 'The Truth Shall Make You Free', on page 285. """Truth""" indeed!
AF, watch it! Your above words were sheer provocation, and you know it - testing the line, so to speak! See Deut. 6:16.
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Ordered Complexity necessitates Design
by gravedancer injust a short question which probably was raised before.. the favorite argument of creationists: since there is such abundant complexity in the world around us and within us - doesn't this point point to design and therefore a designer (i.e.
god)?.
much info abounds on both sides of the answers to the question.
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gravedancer wrote:
doesn't this point .. to design
No. It does not point to that.
Here is why - human perception of, and instinct as to, what is "pointed to" is based on the direct, first-hand observations we repeatedly make during our own existences, and those phenomena closely enough related thereto for us to understand the changes associated with them.
So we "see" things over a span of a few tens of years - maybe a hundred years or so.
In contrast, the mechanics of evolution involves complex processes that - in fits and starts, perhaps, for some of them - stretch over THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS.
What may be a wildly improbable event over a short period may be a dead cert over a sufficiently long one. One does not need to understand quantum mechanics to understand this.
Therefore, relying on our instinct to judge attributability on such enormous time scales is extrapolating beyond the outlandish to the downright absurd!
End of argument.
Any further contribution to this thread is, in my opinion, redundant. Which is, of course, invitational.
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Watchtower-related illnesses plus USE OF HYPNOSIS!
by Focus innow, i am not suggesting you should send this guy any $$ - just read the web page.... * http://www.energeticsolutions.com.au/jehovah_witness_watchtower.htm.
summary.
jehovah witnesses are controlled by six watchtower concepts.
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avengers wrote:
So when I say the GB members are murderers I wouldn't be exaggerating?
Well, you wouldn't be exaggerating IMO, but you might be guilty of libel. However, the OJ case (part II) gives one hope that you would win.
Next questions: Why aren't they brought to trial?
Because they have smarter attorneys? Jurisdictional issues? Directness of causation?Note that the precise way in which things are written in "the official organ" is very much a matter of design... and the main reason of the design is to ensure that the Watchtower cannot be sued or prosecuted.
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