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  Question regarding Holy Spirit...

  by tenyearsafter in

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  16 years ago

  i am still muddling my way through both sides of the trinity argument, but i would be very interested in hearing the explanation for the nontrinitarian view of the holy spirit and what it is in light of ephesians 4:29-32 where it speaks about "grieving the holy spirit".

  if the holy spirit is just god's active force, as we were taught as jw's, how can we grieve it?

  grieving would indicate a personality or feelings that could be "grieved".

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  tenyearsafter 16 years ago

  Thanks JD and Wobble...I am sure that I am not alone with being "stuck" in my old JW thinking about the subject of the Trinity. I still have some issues with the actual Trinity doctrine, but I am starting to lean towards something more akin to the Trinity. It just is too difficult to "buy" the JW argument as to Jesus being an archangel and the Holy Spirit being an inanimate object that is more like electricity than anything else.

  I know that the Trinity apologists see no other answer than the Trinity as defined by the early church fathers. I also know that many who are now atheist or agnostic would feel my question to be nonsense in the first place.

  I would still like to hear from the nontrinitarians such as Joseph Malik, to get the opposing explanation to the personage or identity of the Holy Spirit. I know that the gender of the personal pronoun in John 14:26 can be argued that is mistranslated and should be neutral (it). I would like to hear how we can "grieve" something that is without personality or nothing more than an active force sent by God. Thanks all...

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  Question regarding Holy Spirit...

  by tenyearsafter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  16 years ago

  i am still muddling my way through both sides of the trinity argument, but i would be very interested in hearing the explanation for the nontrinitarian view of the holy spirit and what it is in light of ephesians 4:29-32 where it speaks about "grieving the holy spirit".

  if the holy spirit is just god's active force, as we were taught as jw's, how can we grieve it?

  grieving would indicate a personality or feelings that could be "grieved".

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  tenyearsafter 16 years ago

  I am still muddling my way through both sides of the trinity argument, but I would be very interested in hearing the explanation for the nontrinitarian view of the Holy Spirit and what it is in light of Ephesians 4:29-32 where it speaks about "grieving the Holy Spirit". If the Holy spirit is just God's active force, as we were taught as JW's, how can we grieve it? Grieving would indicate a personality or feelings that could be "grieved". Also, John 14:26 specifically refers to Holy Spirit as "He". As I read that it would also indicate something more than an "active force".

  How would you answer this? Thanks in advance for your comments!

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  Honestly, Do You Judge Someone Because Of Their Color Or Nationality?

  by minimus in

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  16 years ago

  one of the first baby dolls i gave my granddaughter was a cute little black baby doll.

  she still has it in her car seat and if you try to take her doll from her she says, "my baby!!

  " typically little children are color blind.

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  tenyearsafter 16 years ago

  I am with Outlaw...Planet Idiot qualifies for my judgement list!!

  I would never allow color or national origin be an excuse for stupidity!

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  Anyone on this board take Simvastatin?

  by cantleave in

  1. watchtower
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  16 years ago

  if so do you get a pain in your hands at the base of the thumb?

  i have spoken a few user who have found this, just wondering how prevalent this is..

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  tenyearsafter 16 years ago

  Took it for several years with no probs...now taking Crestor. Any statin drug can cause muscle weakness and pain...one of the side effects you should tell your Dr. about...I have never heard of localized thumb pain associated with statins.

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  ADAM GROWS OLD

  by Titus in

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  16 years ago

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  tenyearsafter 16 years ago

  Hi Titus...and welcome!! I think you will find this a very interesting place to exchange ideas.

  I know exactly why you don't bring this up to the elders...especially as a MS. If you did, I think you know that they would not view your question as an inquiry, but rather, at best, as a "doubt" and more likely a "divisive false teaching", and thus marking you as an apostate. I know where you are coming from...I was there and suppressed my questions for years. Unfortunately, those questions don't go away and you will eventually have to resolve them by either confronting them or repressing them to oblivion. I chose the former and my brother chose the latter. The bottom line is that there is no middle of the road choice if you are honest with yourself.

  The whole issue of the creative day is one that is a source of discussion in many denominations. The liberal Christian denominations hold to an "old earth" theory and feel that the creative days don't represent a set time. The conservative Christian denominations believe in a "young earth", and feel that the creative days were a literal 24 hour period. The WTS has settled on something in the middle and formed the concept of the "creative day" of 7000 years. I guess my thought on this is, "what does it matter"? If a true Christian is focused on salvation issues, how does the length of the creation impact that? The real focus should be on what are "true" salvation issues, because when the "rubber meets the road", that will be all that matters to God.

  Whatever direction your questions lead you, I wish you the best in your search...

  TYA

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  Why do the Churches teach Adam was created perfect?

  by acolytes in

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  2. bible

  16 years ago

  this is not a bible teaching.

  the bible says the opposite.. adam was created physically imperfect or he wouldnt have needed to be put out the garden so as not to be able to eat from the tree of life-.

  adam was created morally imperfect or he wouldnt have failed his first test.

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  tenyearsafter 16 years ago

  acolytes,

  I can see and agree with several of your thoughts on Adam. As to Adam's original perfection, I can use the example of Jesus to illustrate the difference between physical and moral perfection. Most people who believe in Jesus and the biblical accounts would agree that he was perfect, however he was tempted several times by Satan shortly after his baptism. If Jesus would have no ability to sin because of his perfection, what would have been the point to the temptations? The angels were "perfect", yet many fell to sin starting with Satan. If free moral will comes into play, I think that a being can be perfect yet still make a choice to act that could result in displeasing God. That very act could also be a conscious disregard for the very God that they formally had submitted to. If a person isn't a believer, than none of this makes any sense!

  As to "you will surely die this day", I would suggest that this could easily be read as the slow process of death began that moment Adam partook of the fruit. This would be similar to the phrase commonly used today, "the beginning of the end".

  Just some thoughts...

  TYA

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  What did you look like as a JW?

  by highdose in

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  16 years ago

  i was going through some old photos today, i found one of myself when i was a devout jw.

  it was really shocking!

  i'm so thin, my cheeks are hollow, i'm as white as the wall behind me, i'm standing hunched over, and in my eyes you can see real misery.

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  tenyearsafter 16 years ago

  Ditto JAFO!

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  First Christmas Joke of the Season....

  by Robdar in

  1. social
  2. humour

  16 years ago

  please feel free to post your own jokes!.

  three men died on christmas eve and were met by saint peter at the pearly gates.. .

  'in honor of this holy season' saint peter said, 'you must each possess something that symbolizeschristmas to get into heaven.'.

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  tenyearsafter 16 years ago

  How do you know Santa has to be a man?
  No woman is going to wear the same outfit year after year.

  What does Santa call reindeer that don't work?
  Dinner.

  What did the reindeer say before launching into his comedy routine?
  This will sleigh you.

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  If the FBI forensically analyzed your computer would they find incriminatory searches on the net?

  by Stealth in

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  2. friends

  16 years ago

  if your pc was searched by the fbi, would they find any searches that could used to implicate you in any crime?

  even if the search was innocent, could they twist your internet search to be worse then it really was?

  i will start off since i asked the question.

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  tenyearsafter 16 years ago

  I haven't committed any crimes, so nothing I might have searched could be tied to "state of mind" in the commission of a crime. I am with Undercover on this...

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  whats wrong with legs?

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  16 years ago

  exhuse me????

  whats wrong with showing off what you have and looking good?

  why should i have to cover myself up al la muslim/jw stlye?

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  tenyearsafter 16 years ago

  Love legs...and what they connect to!

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