For me it is the only thing that went in my favor. I did not have to make a choice of a relationship or my conscience. I could not go to a meeting no mater what the cost. For me it would be like supporting someone who had killed my family. And in many ways they did just that. I could not sit there even if it meant life and death. The hypocrisy, arrogance and plain stupidity of the organization and even the rank and file is to much to stomach. I look at the R&F the same way as the people who supported the Third Reich. With out them the leadership is nothing. When I went I was just as guilty. I will not give them a pass and do not ask for one for my blind support of this evil cult. If I were you I would give my wife a choice, the organization or me. I am in no way telling what to do, you have to make your own choice. But I look at it this way, even if you do not make a choice now, eventually one will be made for you. Slowly you will be made to be on the outside looking in. Your wife will if she keeps being part of the organization be more and more involved with the people of the congregation, and you will either have to give in and obey or be the out cast who is talked about when your back is turned. These cowards never say things to your face, they only talk about you in a condescending way behind your back. Then smile to your face as if they really care if you live or die. By putting the situation off you are doing nothing but delaying what will have to be a confrontation. And if you really care about your wife, you allow her to become more controlled by the cult.
Posts by dogon
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12My Wife goes back to Meetings after a year....but I just can't stomach it!
by Witness 007 ineverywhere i go latley we meet damn witnesses!
the cinema watching quantum of solice full of witnesses...mcdonalds having a coffee...witnesses!
and the "love bombing" starts.
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What ever happened to the ``soiled garments" teaching of 1918-1918?
by Room 215 inif i recall, the wt used to teach that the 1918-1919 stagnation and subsequent imprisonment of the eight wt officials was an expression of god's displeasure owing to lingering vestiges of christendom and compromise on the issue of neutrality; that belief seems to have been scuttled; or has it?
what have you observed?
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dogon
Spot on Blondi, God cleaned the org. but did not do a very good job. A little more elbo grease would have maybe helped.
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Another 5 min. ruined by these idiots I can never get back.
by dogon inas i type their foot prints are still warm.
i just had a visit by an old prude jw in hot springs today.
she and her young girl tag along wanted to give me a bible reading.
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dogon
Not my niece. I have only 2 and they are twins 4yo in Wichita. Maybe one of Dans kids. Danny is a second cousin. The Gardner’s last I knew sold off everything they had and took the job of running the trucking dept. in Holt. They get a small apt. and run the shipping for that region. The kids Zach, Kevin and Tracy live in or near Vanderbilt. Zach was working for a lumber company, Kevin bought out the drywall company, [a lot of good that did with no building going on] Tracy works at the bank of northern Michigan as a morg. officer. Another area that is not doing anything at all in Michigan. Danny is working on the road building small loggers in other states. I do not know what the rest of them are up to. Unemployment I suspect.
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What Happened to JWs worldwide being on the same page?
by cameo-d ini noticed something i think is odd.
i thought jws worldwide always bragged that they are all in unison.
that they are all on the same page.
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dogon
The more things change...... I can remember years ago, one hall would say you could only wear white shirts on stage, and another would allow colored shirts. One would allow what was called in the seventies leisure suits, the next would not. Some would not allow women to wear red white and blue in any combo even though most color combos are on a flag some where. There is no unity or symmetry in the org. It is all smoke and mirrors.
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Another 5 min. ruined by these idiots I can never get back.
by dogon inas i type their foot prints are still warm.
i just had a visit by an old prude jw in hot springs today.
she and her young girl tag along wanted to give me a bible reading.
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dogon
Sure I was, just as all those idiots are now. One can educate yourself out of being an idiot. Just as one can educate yourself out of being ignorant. It took time and study. It took an open mind. For many years as an idiot I had a closed mind, just as many idiots in the dubdom have a closed mind now. When I use the term idiot I use it as a self imposed thing. Some are idiots and do not know it. So I guess they would be more in the category of ignorant. Those that go to the hall, know that history of the cult, and still preach it are just plane evil. The rest are idiots.
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WT: Dumbing down the message; no intellectuals allowed
by Hiddenwindow inhave you noticed that the most recent publications by the watch tower, and particularly the study articles of the watchtower magazine, contain less and less references to secular sources?
there is not doubt that the society was always making efforts to provide us with a historical and quasi-intellectual perspective of the world.
i am sure all of you can think of books by the watch tower that contained extensive information on history, biology, and even philosophy (insight, creation book, the bible -god's word or man's?
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dogon
I do remember the Babylon books. I would not say it was deep. It was immersed in double talk, muddying the waters, and psychobabble that was very hard to follow. I would read and reread many paragraphs and still not get the meaning of something. I thought I was not smart enough, but as I studied fallacies of arguments, many of the dysphemisms, euphemisms, false dilemmas, ad homonym attacks, red herrings and many other false reasoning’s jumped out to me. It all became clear that what was going on all those years. They made it purposely confusing to keep us in line. To think just what I thought, that I was not smart enough to understand, and should follow the society, they after all knew and understood all this stuff right? But learning what false reasoning and bias is and how it works, is much like seeing a magician do his act, then having someone show you how it was done. Once you know the trick it is not so impressive any more.
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Another 5 min. ruined by these idiots I can never get back.
by dogon inas i type their foot prints are still warm.
i just had a visit by an old prude jw in hot springs today.
she and her young girl tag along wanted to give me a bible reading.
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dogon
This woman driving a silver Honda SUV from the Highway 7 congregation of Hot Springs DUBBERS just reminded me of a sister in Vanderbilt MI. L. Gardner. She thought she was the pillar that held up the world for god. Here and her husband Norm were so pompous it was gut wrenching. Norm would have people he new do talks on Sunday from down state MI and then he would make a big production video taping the talk, This at a time when video cameras were not owned by many people and very expensive. Norm had to be the big boy around the hall. He would go trucking for the society and wear western boots to meeting. I used to call them BJ and Lorna was the bear. For the younger crowd that was a seventy’s show when trucking was a fashionable thing. Everyone owned a CB. If you would watch Norm give a talk, he would literally hang off the podium he was like a professor who was very taken with himself giving a lecture.
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Another 5 min. ruined by these idiots I can never get back.
by dogon inas i type their foot prints are still warm.
i just had a visit by an old prude jw in hot springs today.
she and her young girl tag along wanted to give me a bible reading.
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dogon
As I type their foot prints are still warm. I just had a visit by an old prude JW in Hot Springs today. She and her young girl tag along wanted to give me a bible reading. I stopped them cold and said "I belonged to the cult for 30 years, they have never been right on one single issue. " She turned and said in retreat I read the bible and know this is not a cult. I yelled back read the internet and find out what your religion really is all about. She would not look back and just waived the bible in the air. I could have handled it differently but I was in the middle of doing a class assignment [on separation of church and state strange enough] and just did not feel like playing nice with these idiots. Some times you just want to tell them to go to hell, but then they would think they won. When you have them run away they can say you are apostate but that is nothing but an Ad Homonym attack. The cult is full of False reasoning’s and Rethorical devices.
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Last of the 1914 generation!
by JWdaughter inhttp://www.thenews-messenger.com/article/20081105/obituaries/811050350 .
i saw this obit of an elder in a jw congregation.
he was born on aug. 8, 1914 and recently passed away.
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dogon
What does it mater? In 95 they changed the meaning of "generation" Now we are all of that generation. The time line is not held to a literal generation from the date of 1914. Now it is just soon, close, we are at the tip of the pencil. LOL I have always likened their teaching to the cartoon that when they are boxed in a corner they just whip out a black hole and slam it against the wall and PRESTO an escape route. How many dates do you have to see that passed before you come to the logical conclusion that it is all bunk.
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This stupid poem was recited recently by a CO to manipulate the young'n's
by JimmyPage inpizza, a party and a moonlight ride .
author unknown .
jenny was so happy about the house they had found.. for once in her life it was the right side of town.
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dogon
I thought there was going to be a I will not eat green eggs and ham line. Was the pome Jennie hears a who?