This is truly one ridiculous argument. Even if anyone cloned a person, it is not that person but a copy. I have argued this with the dubbers for years. If we die, and god simply recreates us, and I am arguing from a the stand point that there is some validity to the bible, which I do not believe. I am an atheist. So god recreates you, it is a clone or copy of you down to your brain cells and memories copied. Is this really you? What makes you, you? It is not your body, this is simply a transport for what is you. Your mind is you, the part that has all your memories. If you made 20 copies of you and you are still alive, it is only copies of yourself, not you. So if god recreated you, is he really resurrecting you or just making a copy? And the cloning thing is just a silly argument in the first place. Arguing the semantics of silliness in dubdom is like arguing who is strongest, batman or superman. In the end pointless.
Posts by dogon
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16The Horrors of Resurrection
by cameo-d ini have always heard it said that satan has an imitation for everything the creator has in mind.
i hope there is a resurrection such as jesus proclaimed.
if not, then i will just cease to exist and that's ok. i do not want satan's jehovah's resurrection.
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The "Friends"
by cameo-d inwhy is it that jws refer to people from the org as "the friends"?.
sometimes its even used to refer to people in their jw social group.. since "friends" is a quaker term used likewise, how did the jws come to start using that phrase to denote jw members?.
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dogon
I have heard this used, but mostly in the older W comunity. The older ones use it among themselfs. I first heard it in Florida where we called it Gods waiting room.
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King of the South?
by Satanus inhas anyone heard anything about him?
the wt has not talked about the southern king for a few decades.
the present american financial crisis is a golden opportunity for the wt to pull this card from the bottom of the deck.
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dogon
As far as I understand it the king of the north and the king of the south are supoosed to be pushing and shoveing untill the end. That they would at the end turn their power over to the image of the beast or united nations, and they would destroy all false religion, at that time satan would turn his forces against the only standing religion left on earth JWs, then Jehovah would step in to protect his people. That would spark the big A end of the world.
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The JWS offering of a white sheet of righteousness, is it really worth it ?
by Homerovah the Almighty inmost of you folks know what i'm talking about, we've all experienced the white sheet and some will remember people that would cloaked themselves continually .
more than others to keep an illusion of themselves.
one of the more prominent behavior patterns that comes to mind when thinking about the jws is the ever-present .
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dogon
I know what you mean. They do this sort of mind game in all kinds of ways. I can remember my Uncle Kurt Babcock when I was young, had a building company in Indian River MI. He had a secretary named Lou Reed. She would flirt with all the guys, pulling up her skirt and asking if any one would scratch her itch. Well Kurt did scratch her itch and his at the same time. They had an affair and he eventually went to the elders and confessed. I can still remember him pointing at a white piece of typing paper and saying boys, I'm as clean as that paper in god’s eyes. I can remember listening to my mother talking to Carline his wife and she did not feel so forgiving. She did eventually but it was more because they had 6 kids not because she was so magnanimous.
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witnesses don't hear so good
by booby ini was talking to a witness today, and when talking about how quickly things can change.
i mentioned the cost of gas excuse for the book study change and how now it is gone so low and while sort of acknowleging it he immediately goes of on a tangent about the changes in the forestry sector.
since the slow downs etc.
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dogon
I heard this same story back in the 80s. Its an old one. There is no end to the recycled fables they try to tell. The problem is that the newer conscripts will buy into this clap trap.
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What good would a DA letter do?
by dogon ini have long thought of doing this, but could never see any good it would do except make me feel good for a few seconds.
i also feel that when you do this you let them win.
they always say that we told you so, or now he is gone and our congregation is clean bla bla bla.
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dogon
If it helps some than I would say it is a good thing to do for them. I have a bit of a different feeling for me, I want to keep them from getting rid of the "apostate" This in my mind keeps them from saying that Jehovah keeps his congergation clean. I am an apostate who has made it known in such a way as to keep them from DFin me. They know but I am also still in good standing. I know it buggs the hell out of them, and for me that is very healing.
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What good would a DA letter do?
by dogon ini have long thought of doing this, but could never see any good it would do except make me feel good for a few seconds.
i also feel that when you do this you let them win.
they always say that we told you so, or now he is gone and our congregation is clean bla bla bla.
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dogon
I have long thought of doing this, but could never see any good it would do except make me feel good for a few seconds. I also feel that when you do this you let them win. They always say that we told you so, or now he is gone and our congregation is clean bla bla bla. I felt that if you kept your "in good standing" even though they did not think you really were a believing member. Then you get under their skin. I have been marked but they could not get me DFed. Not for lack of trying. The only reason they try so hard is that they want you gone if you do not believe. So my question is why give them what they want? I feel that by denying them this victory you show them that god is not keeping his org. clean and all the other clap trap that they try to believe.
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The bible does not ban Gambling =Disfellowship those who work extra $$$$
by Witness 007 inokay so we know the scriptures say alot about "love of money" "greed" and so on...but not one verse says "thou shalt not gamble thy money.
" so if it's about greed and the love of money i know many brothers who work 60 hours a week making big bucks even though they live comfortably.
$$$$ if a brother has a bet now and then why is this a disfellowshiping "greedy" sin.
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I love it. I talked Daryl Kunde into going into the Petoskey casino in Michigan. He dropped 5$ in the slot machine. I knew that it was a DFing offence, and loved that when they are interested you can talke a dubber into doing many things, after you get them alone away from other dubbers. Its all a dog and pony show. I used to make a big deal out of voteing in front of him before we would go to work on election day. He only got up set when I made waves and questioned the authority of the society outright. That did not make him look good working partners with an apostate.
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WIERD! =Yearbook 1967- African Witness silences talking demonic snake??!!
by Witness 007 inyearbook 67 p.105 "...a large crowd was following a man who had a talking serpent.
the serpent gave greetings and and spoke in foreign tongues....a brother was passing by and attracted by the commotion, he went to the house ...as soon as he entered the room the serpent stopped talking.
the man cried out: "a magican has entered the room...the brother asked the man: "is that a serpent or a demon that has spoken to you?....i know that since god has created animals not one serpent has spoken, with the exception of the one in the begining in the garden of eden...seeing that the serpent remained silent the man left the building...later...he was anxious to get some literature....".
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dogon
The rank and file still gobble this crap up and spew it back, and more. When I was young we would camp at assemblies and the big thing was always sitting around camp fires and telling stories "anecdotal" of Corse, about someone who knew someone who heard of a story about a walking washing machine, or a flying Ouija board, or any numbers of silly child horror stories. There was never any direction against such practices. I firmly believe that it was due to the fact that it kept people in line. No one wanted to bring on a demon attack.
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My EX still has a hold on our son....
by nomoreguilt ina couple of weeks ago i had the opportunity to enjoy breakfast with my younger son, 30. he hasn't been to meetings in over 2 years and i was able to help him move in with his girlfriend,22, not a jw a month or so earlier.
he'hasn't been df'd, as of yet for that , although i know that there are probaby those who have the opportunity to do him in.
i really don't know yet whether he is happy in his new lfe, but i do know that he still holds the desire to some day go back.
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dogon
Sounds like your son has a keeper. She realizes the danger of the cult. I would give her all the low down on the cult now. It is to easy for these masters of mind control to slowly creep. Forewarned is forearmed. I would give her sites like this, and Randy Waters and other sites. I would teach her all the back ground of this cult and the dangers of starting to let them into your life. You can never know to much about the dangers of this cult. If I had a penny for every time some wife just wanted to go with the nice people to see what a Kingdom Hall was like, and the next thing you know she did not want to celebrate birthdays, Christmas or have anything to do with nonbelievers.
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