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Oh my!..What will they do?
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http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000391
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Biology Lesson for the gals
by Francois inelsewhere in the active topics list is a great post from wasasister dealing in a very wise manner with women's hormonal cycle.
the viewpoint and outlook contained in her post was to my mind very well done, thoughtful, considerate, and made a number of points that would be helpful to keep in mind in dealing with the male/female dynamic.. so i hope (and believe) that wasa won't mind if i use her post to springboard to one of my own - the mirror image of hers.. wasa makes a very good point in saying that women are jerked around by the hormones in their blood every month.
and lots of us know at least one woman whose pms reaches truly epic proportions.
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Francois
Prisca & Wasa & all other positive responders, thanks for your remarks. I think you got the spirit of my remarks, which were intended to be positive and conciliatory and, well, loving even. Sort of a mirror of the thoughtful and very accurate post Wasasister wrote.
I only intended to point out that guys are people too.
And I certainly wasn't intending to create some kinda vitriolic firestorm. Some folk just seem to be spring-loaded on pissed off and can find or invent an issue with even the most well-intended sentiments. I guess they will just have to kiss my ass.
For the normal-minded, however, thanks again.
Joel, you really know how to introduce a great philosophical consideration. There must be a next step, or maybe I hope there's a next step, and I hope it's to become one click more spiritual and one click less material and to do so on a different planet, and with better, more immediate help than we've had here. Too many questions left unanswered. And with any luck whatsoever, we'll have a person to help us full-time, not a plethora of books!!!
Francoise
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Biology Lesson for the gals
by Francois inelsewhere in the active topics list is a great post from wasasister dealing in a very wise manner with women's hormonal cycle.
the viewpoint and outlook contained in her post was to my mind very well done, thoughtful, considerate, and made a number of points that would be helpful to keep in mind in dealing with the male/female dynamic.. so i hope (and believe) that wasa won't mind if i use her post to springboard to one of my own - the mirror image of hers.. wasa makes a very good point in saying that women are jerked around by the hormones in their blood every month.
and lots of us know at least one woman whose pms reaches truly epic proportions.
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Francois
Tina, your perceptions are your problem. You deal with 'em.
If the fact that I'm a professional writer makes it seem like I think I know it all when I express an opinion, and you resent that, that's your problem, too. However, concise expression of an opinion means no such thing, as intelligent people realize.
I'm done with responding to you and your small-minded bullshit.
Francois
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Biology Lesson for the gals
by Francois inelsewhere in the active topics list is a great post from wasasister dealing in a very wise manner with women's hormonal cycle.
the viewpoint and outlook contained in her post was to my mind very well done, thoughtful, considerate, and made a number of points that would be helpful to keep in mind in dealing with the male/female dynamic.. so i hope (and believe) that wasa won't mind if i use her post to springboard to one of my own - the mirror image of hers.. wasa makes a very good point in saying that women are jerked around by the hormones in their blood every month.
and lots of us know at least one woman whose pms reaches truly epic proportions.
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Francois
Tina, as stated, my post is in a large way a response to that of Wasasister's. Did you read it? Do you notice the similarity? She may not have used those same words to which you object, but they are there none-the-less.
And nowhere have I implied that either the depression, anxiety, hostility, etc. of women, or the single-mindedness of men is somehow a defect. That is your analysis; those are your words.
And while you may not feel that the very real consequences of hormonal fluctuations in the human body of women AND men constitute a problem, there are entire branches of medicine dedicated to its study and treatment. Not too many years ago, the National Organization of Women attempted to have PMS classified as an extenuating circumstance in homocide. And you don't see this as a problem requiring attention, mutual understanding, and compassion?
And where did I say that women should receive "a man's sympathy and compassion"? I didn't. Those are your words. I'm saying such a positive attitude should be extended to all by all.
I much prefer receiving comment upon what I DID say, not what you say I said. With all due respect, Tina, it seems you have a rather large chip on your shoulder.
Abaddon, the person to whom you're referring is Camille Paglia, liberal spokesperson, humanities professor, insightful social critic, and one helluvan excellent writer.
And of course, criminal behavior should not be excused because of the subject phenomena: not rape in the case of guys; not homocide in the case of women (Note: this statement is meant as a rhetorical device. Not a broad definition. Please accept it as such.) Note the comment above about NOW. Nor should the phenomena be used as an excuse for being a shit, as you say. Too many of us of both sexes seem just to go with the flow of our instincts absent any mediation of social responsibility.
Joel, you are right on the money as usual. And I fully believe that the "mark of the beast" in realisty is exactly what you make reference to. And in order to get to be a next-level being, each of us must erase all traces of the mark of the beast from ourselves. Ain't that the next step in human evolution? Prolly can't do it as long as we've got bodies, but in the next life, we prolly won't have those to contend with.
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Biology Lesson for the gals
by Francois inelsewhere in the active topics list is a great post from wasasister dealing in a very wise manner with women's hormonal cycle.
the viewpoint and outlook contained in her post was to my mind very well done, thoughtful, considerate, and made a number of points that would be helpful to keep in mind in dealing with the male/female dynamic.. so i hope (and believe) that wasa won't mind if i use her post to springboard to one of my own - the mirror image of hers.. wasa makes a very good point in saying that women are jerked around by the hormones in their blood every month.
and lots of us know at least one woman whose pms reaches truly epic proportions.
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Elsewhere in the Active Topics list is a great post from Wasasister dealing in a very wise manner with women's hormonal cycle. The viewpoint and outlook contained in her post was to my mind very well done, thoughtful, considerate, and made a number of points that would be helpful to keep in mind in dealing with the male/female dynamic.
So I hope (and believe) that Wasa won't mind if I use her post to springboard to one of my own - the mirror image of hers.
Wasa makes a very good point in saying that women are jerked around by the hormones in their blood every month. And lots of us know at least one woman whose PMS reaches truly epic proportions.
And the guys, are we not jerked around by hormones in our blood, too?
How many times have you been accused of never thinking of anything but sex, of always thinking with your little head, of being single-minded and driven, and what's more - being disgusting by being so predictable?
If women deserve compassion and sympathy because they are jerked around by hormones in their blood for four to six days every month, what about a little better understanding from women for the men - who are jerked around by hormones in our blood EACH AND EVERY DAY, with no letup, no surcease, no vacation, no rest - ever???
I am approaching sixty years old. Finally, the amount of hormone in my blood is tapering off, and I can sense the difference. I'm not so driven to jump the bones of every attractive woman I see. (I'm not dead, either, just cooled off a little.) It's hard to describe the relief I feel at not being led around by the, um, nose all the time.
We men are just as helpless to do anything about the hormones flashing around our bloodstream at near the speed of light as are women helpless.
Now we are all grown up people. The jokes are gonna continue, for example when I was accused of thinking only with my little head, I delighted in rejoinding with, "Yeah, but at least I'm thinking with SOMETHING." I got a lotta practice dodging flying objects that way, too.
But can we not, each side in this situation, admit that we each have a problem to deal with in terms of our natural programming and our helplessness in dealing with it, and extend some sympathy - if not empathy - some understanding and compassion for problems we ALL HAVE?
Whathca think?
Francois
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What Caused Your First Doubt ?
by Big Jim infor me it was when i was about twelve years old and my best friends dad was disfellowshipped from the congregation.. i could not understand how a god of love would treat someone so coldly.. i used to think what if that was the way my parents would treat me if i had done something wrong, that would be so hard and cruel.. as i got older another thing that bothered me was the beard issue.
it may sound pretty trivial however the society has always refused to make a good arguement as to why they would give you the old cold shoulder if you were to grow one.. two more items; first i could not understand why all the congregations and all the assemblys would give income reports.
and the society never did.
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AGuest, I had an experience just like yours. Well, sorta like yours. I had a friend who was DFed and I was so sad that I'd miss association with him (at least public association ) for a whole year.
I did my research and discovered that the letters of Paul, the first telling the congregation to DF a guy; the second saying the guy had suffered enough, were written less than a year apart - by the Borg's own calculations.
I told the CO about this and said we oughta let my buddy back in. He looked at me like I had two heads and darkly intoned, "You can't enlighten the society." Damn near got DFed on the spot for my reaction to that comment.
About a year later, he was forced to change his tune when the Borg came up with the same reasoning. And I believe to this day that my letter to them was the source of their "inspiration."
And so it goes.
Are we really SURE we can't sue the bastards for false advertising, contract violation, or something like that?
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.......
by JW72 ini wonder would christians (jw's included) still serve god if it were god's will for them to die in this world and not live forever?!?!?!!.
if u think like that, it makes u realise just how selfish it all is to believe that!!.
they may say that they would but i doubt it!!!!.
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If there is a God, there must be life - and abundant life at that. If there were nothing but the struggle of life as we know it on this world and then nothing but the endless night of eternal oblivion then absolutely I would not be willing to worship such a God that would perpetrate such a cruel joke as this life would then be.
As it is, we worship a God the existence of whom cannot be proven, on the chance that He is as He has been represented: a loving father. And upon this gossamer hope depends for its very existence every religion, or at least every religion which includes a God.
But finally, as we have noted by observation of the animal kingdom, love - even altruism - is not a characteristic of non-human life. There is something in the human being that causes it to love, to display altruism, to regard the "other" more highly than the self. And this is the evidence, the only real evidence, that there is surely a God, a God who put the capacity for this other love in our makeup. In fact, that we have love among ourselves is the one acceptable evidence that God does indeed exist. Thus Jesus' commandment that we have this love among ourselves is really a commandment that we acknowledge the existance of God...a self fulfilling dynamic.
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Elders appointed by Holy Spirit?
by LadyBug inamazings justice points brings me to this point.
elders truly believe that they are appointed by gods spirit.
so when they appoint someone who is:.
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Francois
I'm with YOU Amazing. The relationship between God and man is direct. He is our father, we are his children. And as such we need no intervening organization of men.
As noted, all who are lead by the spirit of God are the children of God.
Knowing that, how can anyone think we are in need of an organization to intervene for us with God? Did we need a third party to intervene for us with our earthly fathers?
Simple as that.
Francois
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Survey
by Vienna inhow many on this board are: a) christains--not a jw b) jehovah's witnesses c) do not believe in god d) have a belief in god but just not active in anything right now.
i'm new to the board and was curious as to everyone's standing.
i'm 30, a christain, i left the jws 3 years ago (after being in it for 21 years) to follow jesus and heard of, among other good things, this great thing called: grace!
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Francois
Non-JW, Non-Christian, Not a member of any organized religion. Intense belief in God - but not that Jehovah dude, or any other God made in the image of man.
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Science vs. Spirituality?
by Sunchild ini originally posed this question to jh in another thread, and now i'm wondering how other atheists -- especially the hardcore ones -- here would answer it.
this isn't about proving or disproving any particular viewpoint, but just an attempt to understand a mindset that seems... well... beyond my understanding.
<g> first, though, here are a couple of terms defined as used in the context of my inquiry.. science: the objective study of the natural world.. spirituality: an intangible aspect of nature/the universe (including humanity) that may or may not include belief in any deity, but which is merely a general sense that something more is out there, and also within us.
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I don't for a second believe that there is any conflict between science and religion. Each and every time that religion has taken science on, religion has had eventually to flee from the contest, tail tucked firmly between the legs.
Of course, it is necessary for religion to "get real" in the area of science. It must give up its pleasing fables and other ear tickling behaviors.
For instance, although progress in the final proof of the theory of evolution seems slow, it's coming. And in the not too distant future, each and every piece of that particular puzzle will be in place. And when it is, how silly and ignorant will the adherents of so-called "creation science" look.
There can be no disagreement between science and religion. This is precisely because the God of religion is the uncaused cause of science and philosophy.
Think. We have not progressed through four hundred years of scientific realization only to arrive at the unchangeable now. More and more progress will be achieved in the field of science until not only evolution must be accepted by the most hard-bitten fundy, but progress in the field of quantuum physics will convince the most hard-bitten materialistic, deterministic scientist of the existence of God.
I hope to see this in my lifetime.