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  My act of disobedience at the DC (pathetic, but thrillingly satisfying)

  by CaptainSchmideo in

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  saturday, i am with my son, my sister-in-law, and my 2 1/2 year old nephew, trying to walk out of the arena to return my lunch cooler to the car.

  the exit we use is a "one way only, no re-entry permitted gate.

  ok, i'm fine with that, i just want to leave the building through this corridor, not re-enter the same way.

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  LiveLife

  Sounds like some of the exits at the Civic Center in Albany, GA, where I grew up.

  Maybe next time you will get even bolder and give a middle finger WA-A-A-A-AY up to the whole DC?

  Live Life
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  The End of Faith- How Sam Harris defined it.

  by nvrgnbk in

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  clearly, it must be possible to bring reason, spirituality, and ethics together in our thinking about the world.

  this would be the beginning of a rational approach to our deepest personal concerns.

  it would also be the end of faith.-.

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  Just to toss a pebble into the pool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_psychology

  • Law of Closure — Our mind adds missing elements to complete a figure.
  • Law of Similarity — Our mind groups similar elements to an entity. The similarity depends on relationships constructed about form, color, size and brightness of the elements.
  • Law of Proximity — Regional or chronological closeness of elements are grouped by our mind and seen as belonging together.
  • Law of Symmetry — Symmetrical images are seen as belonging together regardless of their distance.
  • Law of Continuity — The mind continues a pattern, even after it stops.
  • Law of Common Fate — Elements with the same moving direction are seen as a unit.

  I believe this explains the perception of commonality in experience whether or not the commonality actually exists. It seems to me that if there was true commonality it would be very unremarkable for a song about ... say, love ... to seem to speak to us and our lives, directly. We find the pattern and commonality, whether or not it is there. It is part of being human.

  That's why we can enjoy cartoons.

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  The End of Faith- How Sam Harris defined it.

  by nvrgnbk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  clearly, it must be possible to bring reason, spirituality, and ethics together in our thinking about the world.

  this would be the beginning of a rational approach to our deepest personal concerns.

  it would also be the end of faith.-.

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  Hell's bells, man, I gave up on choosing friends based on whether they agree with me decades ago.
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  Transcript from DC audio: "The Superiority of Being Taught By Jehovah"

  by LiveLife in

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  almost entirely transcribed from the audio provided by fading away (thanks, fading away!!).

  i couldn't bear to type out all of one experience, you'll have to listen.. the audio link: education talk from follow the christ dc.

  the superiority of of being taught by jehovah.

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  Yes, Borgia. And thanks for raising the point. I would like to make very clear that the grammatical errors are taken directly from the talk itself. I did not correct a single thing the poor uneducated brother Prince said.
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  The End of Faith- How Sam Harris defined it.

  by nvrgnbk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  clearly, it must be possible to bring reason, spirituality, and ethics together in our thinking about the world.

  this would be the beginning of a rational approach to our deepest personal concerns.

  it would also be the end of faith.-.

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  Birth, death, love, hate, longing, emptiness, all of these experiences and feelings are real and universal.

  I submit that if these feelings were truly universally experienced (in the sense that we all experience the same feelings, the same responses, etc.) poets would have nothing to write about, no one would have reason to read their writings, no one would be moved by them. Painters would have nothing to paint about, no one would care to look at the variations between expression, all senses of the experience would already exist within us all.

  No one experiences love the same way as anyone else. The same goes for the rest of the items on the list.

  Science seeks to thingify reality, but much of reality stubbornly resists their conceited attempt. The driving reason behind the scientific quest to thingify reality is simple: Science can only study the tangible. It is a limitation in the perspective of the scientific model that leaves anything intangible as a scientific blind-spot. Not that science is lacking for practical usefulness, but the scientific model cannot be truly applied outside tangibility.

  Love is not a thing. No attempts to label it and define it by what it is not will ever change that simple fact. I agree that it is real, but it is intangible reality. Therefore, it is automatically outside the bounds of the scientific method. It is untestable, in and of itself. Only its effects can be tested.

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  The End of Faith- How Sam Harris defined it.

  by nvrgnbk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  clearly, it must be possible to bring reason, spirituality, and ethics together in our thinking about the world.

  this would be the beginning of a rational approach to our deepest personal concerns.

  it would also be the end of faith.-.

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  nvrgnbk: Reality, that which all persons experience universally, is a great place to start.

  I sure hope I can make it Wednesday night! Interesting topic.

  Reality is experienced universally by every thing, not just persons. However, reality is rendered subjective by the act of experience. That is, by the very act of experiencing/interacting with reality we make reality subject to perception.

  Even if we experience reality universally we do not share a perfectly common universal experience with reality. Each experience with reality is (at some level, in some way) unique to the observer. "Similar" does not equal "the same."

  I am coming to believe faith is part of what fills in the gaps between our experiences and the experiences of others; part of what bridges the gaps between the rational, the real, and the potential. I am starting to believe that the potential is the spiritual, it is the ever present phantom reality of the unknown, both the yet to be, and the could have been. Ethics are simply general guides toward a subjectively desirable reality from among the vast array of potential realities.

  I already firmly belief (and I don't have many of those firm beliefs) that faith is inseparable from hope. Faith makes a reality that is more desirable to us much more likely. For instance, I really believe faith will make it much more likely Shroedinger's Cat is alive.

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  My friend needs your help

  by Grouper in

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  my friend the package started a topic "sitting here alone" i asked for any help on the following and i felt it warranted its own thread.

  all suggestions are appreciated.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/137244/1.ashx .

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  Grouper:

  Perhaps if you fleshed the problem out a bit ... maybe let us know what the issue is, then we might be better able to help with it.

  I bet you hit enter before you meant to, didn't you. I hate when that happens.
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  Grammar test what is wrong with these sentences ?

  by 5go in

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  i am trying to find an online c.l.e.p.

  test.

  yesterday i found one on grammar.

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  1: Johnson (1) has (2) no equal as a salesman; his commissions are (3) larger than those madeearned by almost any other (4) salesman.

  2: (1) If people (2) had helped solvedsolve the energy crisis,(3) it might (4) of have been a lesson to humanity.

  3: The student (1) thought that (2) the lecturer had (3) referred (4) to The Communist Manifesto.

  4: He (1) has always been negligent (2) abouttoward his health, and he (3) is feeling the (4) effects of his carelessness.

  In sentence #3, "that" is superfluous to the sentence. Without the benefit of context, "had" seems superfluous, as well.

  Other issues that are arguably incorrect (difficult to judge without the benefit of context) include:

  • the passive voice of "had helped"/"have been" in sentence # 2, could be rewritten in active voice.
  • the passive voice in sentence #3 "had referred to" could be easily rewritten in active voice as "referenced".
  • the passive voice in sentence #4 "has always been negligent" could be easily rewritten as "neglected".

  I can't really argue whether your textbook is correct, since the author seems to have something specific in mind.
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  Outa here

  by snarf in

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  it seems you have to be of the "popular crowd" on this forum to express feelings and views.

  as i am not of this crowd, i have recently recieved alot of not so friendly comments and p.m.s from people who seem to think they need to put me in my place.

  it is funny how some people can express their views and opinions and everyone still loves them.

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  Popularity plays for power had a small part to play in why I stopped posting a while back, too. Some posters made a friend of mine quit the forum altogether, but he was brand new to it all and to leftover JW judgmentalism and egocentrism. When he told me about what happened I thought it was funny and typical of some of my own experiences here.

  I don't understand why a place that is supposed to be welcoming would ever foster such callous reactions, but I have decided JWD isn't the real source of the callous reactions. I think some posters take out pent up crap on whoever happens to be handy.

  Sorry you have gone through it, but it is a downside to the Internet. It is a public forum. Just like people in traffic can be complete asses, people online can be complete asses.

  I hope you will look past it all and keep posting. Most of all ... LIVE LIFE!
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  Jehovah Witness confusing doctrine about abstaining from blood

  by Blindbutnowisee in

  1. watchtower
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  why do jehovah witnesses say they abstain from using blood when they are now allowing their members to use certain blood fractions.

  the answer i always get "if their concious allows them its ok it not for us to judge".

  if that is the case, whole blood should also be allowed if their concious allows them to.

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  Here's the convoluted explanation in a nutshell: Albumin, for instance, can be passed by nursing from mother to child and is present in cow's milk. Therefore, it can have a source other than blood. In theory.

  Here's where the theory utterly breaks down under their doctrinal basis for refusing blood transfusions: If the source of the albumin used with your medical procedure is not from a cow's teat and, rather, is from donor blood (or even animal blood) in what way exactly is someone abstaining from blood if they choose to accept albumin? How can such a person be said to "pour the blood out upon the ground" if they use it for any purpose, even as wall paint, or perhaps as ink to sign their Mephistopholian contract with the bOrganization?

  Either it is okay to use blood for the saving of lives or it is not. They want to have their blood and "eat" it in small bites, too.

  Not that I believe intravenous tranfusion equates to eating. Any doctor can quickly confirm the immediacy of the deadly effects of injecting a Big Mac smoothie directly into your bloodstream, but I ate one last night with no ill effects save some minor bloating about the midriff; it will take at least a few months for the Big Mac to kill me by ingesting it.

  When introduced into the bloodstream, blood functions as blood. It is no different than an organ transplant. The function does not change, the form does not change; only the host organism changes. It isn't showing disrespect for life to donate blood or to receive blood; it is showing incredibly high esteem for life.

  The perverse views of Jehovah's Witnesses on this matter brings great reproach on the God they claim to serve, even though there never has been a true God named "Jehovah." If they called their God "Tiddlywinkumsnotrags" this policy would bring reproach on the good name of the Almighty Creator of all living things, Tiddlywinkumsnotrags.

  Live Life (and try to do it smiling)