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  Why isn' the name "Jehovah" used?

  by MichaelM in

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  is it because many believe that jesus christ / god / holy spirit are all one being, and after jesus christ was born they stopped using god's name and put all focus on jesus?

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  bethlehem,

  The name "Jehovah" does not appear in any extant original language manuscripts from any time period. The name YHWH does appear, but not in any extant Greek manuscripts. In the late 1300s, at least 1300 years after Jesus was dead, Shem Tob translated the gospel of Matthew into Hebrew. All New Testament inclusion of the name YHWH dates to some point after this time and usually takes the form of selective replacement of either God or Lord (some variant of theos or kurios). Such replacement of a Greek word for a Hebrew name is not translation and is the most consistently glaring flaw in the mistranslation that is the New World Translation.

  A total of 237 times the translation committee chose to insert a name for which they had no translational authority save appealing to translations from Greek into Hebrew dating to post-1350 AD. In other words, they use the indisputable mistranslation of Greek into Hebrew by Shem Tob and others to justify indisputable mistranslation of Greek into English.

  Jehovah's Witnesses are masters at manipulating language to suit the needs of their doctrine.

  Emptywords makes it seem that YHWH appears in many churches and cathedrals in many nations equals international acceptance of the name "Jehovah". This is fallacious reasoning.
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  Strange visit

  by bagpuss in

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  2. friends

  after 4 years away from meetings and no contact with the cong i attended, yesterday i answered the door to find an elder at the door.

  he was po in my cong but has been removed i had heard.

  he said he was calling about the disaster fund and that the society wanted to update everyones details like phone numbers and contacts.

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  Bumble Bee,

  The CO must have reamed them on his last trip through about not having the list done yet. He'd be due to visit again shortly and that always creates a flurry of BS activity on the part of the elder body to show an effort at appeasing their mini-deity with offerings of instructions fulfilled.
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  Christ is not mediator because Moses was not?

  by LiveLife in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the book worldwide security under the prince of peace says, "was moses the mediator between jehovah god and mankind in general?

  no, he was the mediator between the god of abraham, isaac, and jacob and the nation of their fleshly descendants.

  likewise, the greater moses, jesus christ, is not the mediator between jehovah god and all mankind.

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  Narkissos,

  the "bridge" of saving communication between the two realms, but the communication doesn't necessarily extend to all.

  I think Jesus was a mediator in that sense. Restoration of the possiblity of a relationship. I believe it doesn't necessarily extend to all. Not because it isn't available to all. Rather, like High Speed Internet, not everyone will avail themselves of it.
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  JWs vs. Jesus Christ

  by R.F. in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  choosing life made a statement in another thread saying that just mentioning jesus too much will get you a concerned look from other jws.

  i thought "oh how true that is!

  " the thing that is intriguing to me is the fact jws are so quick to state that they are the closest thing to first century christianity.

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  Great additions, Watkins.
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  This is what I am going to do Happy ending

  by GODLOVESME in

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  2. friends

  i will right a report later what transpired at the church service.

  after the service sitting in the car she said for the first time in my life i feel that god truly love`s me.

  i never felt this in a jw meeting.

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  Wow. That is great!
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  Christ is not mediator because Moses was not?

  by LiveLife in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the book worldwide security under the prince of peace says, "was moses the mediator between jehovah god and mankind in general?

  no, he was the mediator between the god of abraham, isaac, and jacob and the nation of their fleshly descendants.

  likewise, the greater moses, jesus christ, is not the mediator between jehovah god and all mankind.

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  Go-between, intercessor, reconciler between two or more estranged parties.
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  My crazy diner with a CO!!!

  by thepackage in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last friday i was hagning out with my buddy whose family has faded from the wts, anyways his uncle is a co or so i thought, when we started talking he mentioned that he stoping being a co and now only goes to meetings once in a while with his wife.

  when i asked his why he stopped being a co he mentioned three things.

  1. committese meeting should not be done.

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  LiveLife

  Your friend's uncle may be the CO I've been having online chats with. Those are the three things we've been emailing back and forth about. It is easy to show that the formation of Judicial Committees and the secret way they are handled goes FAR beyond the organizational authority granted by the Scriptures. In our last exchange he said he was leaving the CO work and didn't even want to be an elder or MS anymore.

  Thanks for sharing. If it isn't the same guy even better, because that would mean at least two CO's woke up this year.
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  Any Circuit or District Overseers That Made An Impression On You?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i used to enjoy do paul illingsworth's talks.

  he thought he was a greek scholar.. anyone that you liked (or didn't)?.

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  Misanthropic,

  John Francis Aleé stayed with my family for two weeks during pioneer school two years in a row. He and I became what I considered friends. His talks were always interesting and he had worked more jobs than anyone I ever met. Pharmaceutical salesman, monk in a monastery; his work history really ran the gamut.

  He was the most studious JW I knew; he inspired me to study more. He is probably responsible for me leaving the organization.
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  Christ is not mediator because Moses was not?

  by LiveLife in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the book worldwide security under the prince of peace says, "was moses the mediator between jehovah god and mankind in general?

  no, he was the mediator between the god of abraham, isaac, and jacob and the nation of their fleshly descendants.

  likewise, the greater moses, jesus christ, is not the mediator between jehovah god and all mankind.

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  The book Worldwide Security Under the Prince of Peace says, "Was Moses the mediator between Jehovah God and mankind in general? No, he was the mediator between the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the nation of their fleshly descendants. Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind." (page 10, paragraph 16, emphasis added)

  *** w04 9/15 p. 26 Highlights From the Book of Deuteronomy ***14:21—Why could the Israelites give to an alien resident or sell to a foreigner an unbled dead animal that they themselves would not eat? In the Bible, the term "alien resident" could refer to a non-Israelite who became a proselyte or to a settler who lived by basic laws of the land but who did not become a worshiper of Jehovah. A foreigner and an alien resident who did not become a proselyte were not under the Law and could use unbled dead animals in various ways. The Israelites were permitted to give or sell such animals to them. The proselyte, on the other hand, was bound by the Law covenant. As indicated at Leviticus 17:10, such a person was forbidden to eat the blood of an animal.

  Was Moses the mediator for proselytes? Could not proselytes be from anywhere on earth; from among mankind in general? Even Rahab and Ruth, ancestresses of Jesus? Even an unnamed Ethiopian eunuch who was baptized before Cornelius? Even a mixed crowd of Jews and proselytes mentioned in Acts 2 as being among the 3,000 souls added in one day?

  Despite their attempt to twist Scripture to suit their authority structure, Moses was the mediator for all mankind. Unfortunately, admitting this would mean no one needs the mediatorship of a book publishing company. The masses would look to Christ instead, and so this detail must be dealt with deceitfully.
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  JWs vs. Jesus Christ

  by R.F. in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  choosing life made a statement in another thread saying that just mentioning jesus too much will get you a concerned look from other jws.

  i thought "oh how true that is!

  " the thing that is intriguing to me is the fact jws are so quick to state that they are the closest thing to first century christianity.

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  I wonder how Jehovah would feel about glory being taken from His Son.

  Revelation 5:12, 13
  Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

  It seems the Father and the angels believe the Son is worthy of glory Jehovah's Witnesses reserve for Jehovah alone. Jesus didn't do obeisance to Satan, but the angels did obeisance to Jesus.

  Matthew 4:9, 10
  And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

  The Greek word for worship is the same as the one used in Hebrews.

  Hebrews 1:3-6
  Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

  The bringing of the firstbegotten into the world had already happened and Jesus was worshipped, in exactly the same way that only a true god should be worshipped. This doesn't prove a trinity. It proves that it is appropriate to worship Jesus, too. The Bible says so, directly. The angels, who are far above even men, were told by God to worship the Son.

  Something lingers of the JW taint in that it must be either one way or the other. Why cannot both fundamentalist Trinitarians be in error and Jehovah's Witnesses be in error?