Posts by Francois2

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Mmmm! Smell The Burning Martyr!

by Englishman in

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i was talking with a minister of the united reform church recently.

inevitably, the talk got around to jws, the minister then commented that he admired their stance on blood and their diligence in spreading the gospel from door to door.. this got me to thinking, how does joe public regard jws?.

well, most people know that they dont accept blood transfusions, dont celebrate christmas, dont go to war and, and, as a result, seem to thrive on their persecution-for-righteousness-sake image.

Francois2

I guess it depends on where in the world you are. In the mountains of East Tennessee, it was a long held belief that JWs worshipped a black flag with a red snake on it (search me, I don't have a clue where it came from).

But the worst epithet in the rurals was to call JWs "No Hellers" as in they don't believe in the reality of a burning hell. Seems the fundy types put a great store in the teaching of hellfire and brimstone. It's such a good motivator. There was a lot of contempt for JWs on that score, too.

The green bible didn't go over too well. And neither did the fact that nowhere in all their literature was the word "grace" to be found. You could tell these people that "undeserved kindness" was how we referred to grace, and that just got us in deeper. "What father would be kind to his children and then tell them that they didn't deserve it?" They wanted to know. That pretty much ended the conversation.

The fact that so many in the general public seem to have a sort of tolerant attitude toward the JWs is, in my opinion, testimony to the effectiveness of propaganda which, as we know, was invented and perfected by Joseph Goebbels in the service of another destructive and dangerous cult: the Hitler Cult - as opposed to the JW cult. But the JW cult has made effective use of this brain-child of their spiritual brothers - the German Nazi party.

Francoise

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Roadside Assistance?

by outnfree in

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i think i remember reading somewhere here about how some poor df'd sister's car broke down on the way home from a meeting once and none of the brothers would stop to help.

it made somebody ashamed, as well it should have!.

here's a twist: the son of the local p.o.

Francois2

It is particularly egregious for people to use the words of Jesus to justify their vile bigotries.

My father, who has a strong German heritage, uses the scriptures to justify his continuing hatred of the Jews. I told him once that it was obscene for a person of German heritage to use the words of Jesus like that. But being a JW, he feels he can apply the scriptures any damn way he pleases.

Francoise

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www.do-not-call.org

by nicolaou in

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on april 2nd i purchased the domain name www.do-not-call.org .

a few weeks later i posted a comment on the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=3941&site=3.

it was titled 'can you stop the preaching work?'.

Francois2

Saw your site. This is too good. Will it work in the States?

One suggestion. Make your url simpler...no hyphens. Make it easy to type, with one hand if possible. But do think about getting rid of the hyphens. Anything that slows a person down on the internet is not a good idea.

Francoise.

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10,9,8,7,6,5,4........................

by JW72 in

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anyone else feel that the jw big 'a' countdown is really the countdown to their demise????..............

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i do.... chris

Francois2

I don't know, but I hope you're right. What the world needs now is the immediate demise of the WTB&TS.

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Jehovah Creates Apostates

by metatron in

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according to the bible, jehovah himself "raised up" resisters.

of the corrupt rulership of the elderly king, solomon.. --- you can read about it at 1kings 11:14,23-39.. the term apostasy comes from "to stand away from, rebellion",.

so "resister" can easily act as a synonym for apostate, here.. also, jehovah created dis-unity among israel by deliberately.

Francois2

I still want to know exactly how the GB is "directed" by the Holy Spirit. What exactly is that mechanism? Do they hold hands, sing Kumbaya and the wait until a dove descends holding a note from the Big J in it's beak? Do they have a pair of Urim & Thummin (anti-typical, of course) they roll down the conference table? If so, do they have to ask only yes or no questions? Do they have to face Jerusalem and wave a dead chicken, spattering its blood on the conference table? Cut a calf? (I always did wonder why they had Watchtower Farms), Sacrifice a goat? Do they use a Ouija board? Tarot deck? Dice? Runes? Interpret Dreams WHAT? HOW?

Damnit, they say they are spirit directed and that's a big, big claim and I want to know exactly HOW they receive this spirit direction?

Remember, they have already said that each and every technique I've mentioned so far is demonism. In fact, each and every technique used by and in mysticism has been deplored by the governing body as demonistic.

So WHAT is the technique used by the GB in knowing the will of God?

I say they no more know the will of God than I know how to fly to the goddamn moon.

They know the will of God, but they won't accept a challenge to debate little ol' me? They deserved to be wiped off the face of the earth without a trace. Bastards.

Sorry. I'm having a run of cynicism tonight.

Francoise

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are you sitting down?........PRINCE is a JW!!!!!

by lisaBObeesa in

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hello all, registered just to post this and see what you all had to say about this.

i, for one, am in shock.

it was anounced today on "extra" and they said we would soon see a change in his music because he was "marrying his music to his religion.

Francois2

This would be typical. People who find their lives in what they consider a "ruined" condition seek absolute and solid answers to imponderable questions. If your child had died and some group's interpretations of the bible was whispering in your ear that your child would be resurrected, and soon, it would likely catch your attention and maybe even your alliegence. It's a terribly sad situation, but true.

The proof that JWs appeal to and attract people with problems in their psychological make up can be found in Michael Jackson.

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new here

by jurs in

i've been a witness for 6 years.

when a sweet pioneer sister came to my door and i started studying i never thought i would become a witness.

21/2 years of studying i did get baptized.

Francois2

Hello Jurs:

If it were me, I'd just fade away. No letter. No explanation. No meetings. No nothing.

When the goon-squad wants to come over to "adjust your thinking" tell 'em you've got a headache. No confrontations. No arguing. No debating. No nothing.

There's no way to win an emotional debate with logic, reason, or even truth. The only way to win that game is not to play.

My two cents.

Francoise

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Things That NEVER Made Sense To Me:

by Englishman in

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even when i was a dyed in the wool jw, there were a few things that never made any sense whatsoever to me.

like most dubs, i glossed over them, here's my top 3 doubts during my period of dubdom, doubts that were never resolved:.

"all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching".

Francois2

Englishman:

You quoted: "All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching." But think about it. What constituted "scripture" when that was written? It certainly wasn't the letter you are quoting. Those guys didn't at that time know that their letters would be collected and one day regarded as the word of God. In fact, nothing from Matthew to Revelation even existed at that time. Therefore, "all scripture" at that time was the Hebrew scripture and nothing but the Hebrew scripture. I suppose if you use the Borg's thinking process, you'd have to rule out the entire Greek scripture when you wanted to deal with inspired materials, huh?

Francoise2

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did you talk to the elders?

by Moxy in

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on your way out, did you have the 'talk' with an elder?

(or elders?

) the kind of, 'excuse me, brother only-elder-who-i-really-trust, i've been having serious doubts about such-and-such and i would really appreciate it if you could help me see if i'm missing something, i sincerely want to know...'.

Francois2

You needed to tell your story, and to vent. And you did a great job of it. I admire what you did 'cause you did the right thing.

The Borg is no place for thinking people of compassion.

I have a friend who was a dedicated JW MS. He and his wife served as missionaries in Guatemala. But they came back to the states when he began to loose his vision due to diabetes. He left the Borg just a few months before he lost his vision. As it was fading away, he could see the flickering of candles if the room was darkened. The spies sent by the Borg reported that my friend was "worshipping candles" and probably Satan in the bargin.

God bless a milk cow, but those people are are dumber than a box of rocks.

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bloodguilt

by teejay in

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i came upon the idea for this topic in backward fashion.. not long ago, someone was attributing greatness to one of us .

because of all that one had done to bring about the end of the .

tower.

Francois2

If we are discussing bloodguilt as in the olden Old Testament concept, I think we were all freed from that and everything else in that hoary old secular history of the Jews by the coming of Jesus and his clear statement regarding the "golden rule" that "no other" commandment was more important and that observing that one rule encompassed the entire law and prophets.

Not that it stopped the Tower from attempting to re-impose the old laws with its idiotic claim that the law might not be in force anymore, but the "principle" still applied. Codswattle. A casual reading of Galatians would inform a cretin that anyone attempting to reapply the old law was to be rejected. See?, this is what comes of thinking for one's self. You get to tell the Borg to go piss up a rope.

Francoise2 (In case you're wondering, yes this is the same as Francoise, but I hadda have a separate address for my desktop computer, just to keep things straight.)