Apparently we humans consist of a IQ & EQ and maybe even an SQ. Intelligence Quotient, Emotional Quotient and Spiritual Quotient... each has value and different scales of measurement (IMHO)
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Quick Question (or two, or three)...
by AGuest inmay you all have peace!.
although i realize the responses may not be "quick", a response on another thread prompts me to ask:.
"what do you mean by "spiritual"?
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Quick Question (or two, or three)...
by AGuest inmay you all have peace!.
although i realize the responses may not be "quick", a response on another thread prompts me to ask:.
"what do you mean by "spiritual"?
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The word religion in Latin actually refers to piety and the word spiritual comes from the French word esprit and refers to the breath or breathing
In the biblical sense, all living creatures are spiritual by virtue of being given breath in the first place.
In this sense of the word, we are all spiritual in differing ways and to differing degrees at various times, as we are more or less aware of the invisible, inaudible, impalpable sacredness of all things. This question as I see it in Shelby's mind I believe , is using the word spiritual in this sense ......referring to a conscious relationship with all that is holy. (a connection outside of ourselves )
My assumption in this regard is based on this quote..
Can someone help me understand, please, if we are nothing more than physical beings, what is meant by "spiritual" experiences, etc., for those who do not believe in spirits... or the spirit (that I assert we all possess)?
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Apology to Barbara Anderson
by believingxjw inbarbara,.
i apologize for saying what i did on the other thread.
you are working hard for all of us and what i said was disrespectful.
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I am in full agreement with Mary !! Also this thought...." An apology is a good way to have the last word"
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AndersonsInfo
by minimus ini am sick and tired of people putting down posters like the andersons!
they work hard to expose some things we might never have known about.
why some find fault with them, or ray franz before them, or maximus when he was here is beyond me.. be thankful for those that decide to come here and share what they know about this organization.. we get elders who are still in their positions and they share with us a lot of interesting news and perspectives.
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"Mills of the Gods,
Grind exceedingly slow,
But grind exceedingly fine..."
~Euripides (485-406 BC)Time is a perfect revealer of all truth.. in our impatience it is "exceedingly slow "
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To the Atheists and Agnostics on JWN...
by cantleave ini feel nothing towards you at all!.
the same goes for christians, pagans, buddhists, moslems and hindus..
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Love is to be shared for all... admiration is reserved for those we hold as special in our hearts & minds
To love is to admire with the heart; to admire is to love with the mind
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To the Atheists and Agnostics on JWN...
by cantleave ini feel nothing towards you at all!.
the same goes for christians, pagans, buddhists, moslems and hindus..
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Is this my thread?
Now, I'm confused!
Syl
quick Syl hide behind a tree ..you are thread-bare !!! .... I won't look (much ) hahaha !
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Love is all - Hideaki Tokunaga
by possible-san inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6tois3h0vw.
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Love is indeed all.... thanks for sharing ! ...... a beautiful sound in any language.....
Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive.
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I've been "a proverbial saying and a taunt" for awhile now...
by sd-7 in...amongst both jws and ex-jws, i'm sure.
i'm planning to get back into therapy to deal with my self-esteem issues, and to stay the heck away from emotionally abusive women.
which, given my apparent magnetism to them, logically means all women by extension, as i can't seem to see the train until it's two feet in front of me.
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I really just wanted to say something, just to say something here. I feel that this was 75% my fault and 25% hers, but I'm sure many would give it a much less favorable slant, from the empirical perspective
Iknow there are good women out there, some of whom I've had the honor of meeting thanks to this board. But as far as relationships go, it's clear that I can't identify a suitable partner. I was supposed to be alone, so that this couldn't happen. I was reckless
.I usually want to believe that there is good in people. Idealism--same deal. Even as a JW, I still believed humanity was capable of great things if they just united. Maybe that's still true. But I guess...when it translates into a relationship, it can be a way of tricking myself about the other person. I don't know. Any of that make sense?
Your whole post makes sense.... you will be OK because first of all ,as the above quotes shows your ability to "self-reflect " .I see that although you have suffered yourself at the hands of others you have not become bitter
I usually want to believe that there is good in people
You are not assigning great blame to others... you realize the only person you can control or change is yourself !
Here are some good pieces of advice to consider .. Time dozen’t heal all wounds.
It takes time. The old adage, “Time heals all wounds” is only partly true. Time does heal some wounds, but many wounds from an unwanted divorce will never heal. However, time does lessen the sting, and with time, the flood of memories and regrets will happen less and less often. You will one day appreciate the pain for what it was…an opportunity to learn and grow
You are worthy of love.
When a spouse files for divorce, your self-esteem can take a beating. Some report feeling worthless or unlovable. Just because you are not able to make the relationship work with that one person dozen’t mean you can’t move on and find a loving relationship. The divorce may have had much more to do with your spouse and his/her issues than being about you. Don’t blame yourself. Self-criticism only makes it harder. This is the time to be good to yourself, not beat yourself up.Cultivate positive friendships.
Evaluate current friendships and make new ones. Many recently divorced people are surprised to get a cold shoulder from some of their friends. If they were mutual friends with your ex-spouse, they may be more loyal to him or her than you. It is likely, though; that you have some true friends you can reach out to at this time. Make new friends by asking someone to lunch or to a movie. You need friendships to support you through this transition.
Remember who you were before the bad relationship.
Remember the past. No, I don’t mean the past relationship. Reach back in your memory to your life before that relationship. What were your hopes and dreams? Were there places you wanted to go or new things you wanted to try? This is a perfect time to take that writing workshop, art class, or other activities that interests you. Maybe you want to go back to school. You have to make a new life for yourself and it should be self-nurturing.
Take time to grieve.
Give yourself time to grieve. Take down old picture albums of the marriage, play “your” songs. Have a good cry. Cry deeply and then let it go. Give yourself a time limit on your grief, and then make a pact with yourself that you won’t let yourself dwell on the negative feelings any longer. Having a daily pity party is good in the beginning of your adjustment period, but you need to set a limit on it.
Get re–acquainted with yourself.
Get to know yourself again. When you’ve been part of a couple, chances are many of the choices made in the relationship, such as where to eat or where to go on vacation, were not your choices but your spouses. You may not know what you really like anymore. Try new things and learn what makes YOU happy. You now have the freedom to explore yourself and you may be surprised to learn that you are a very interesting person!
Explore all of your options.
Use this experience as a catalyst for your new life. Sometimes a traumatic experience can serve to move us out of a rut we’ve been in with our lives. Have you been stuck in a career that did’t fulfill you? Now may be the perfect time to look at other options. Start your life over beginning today, and realize all the opportunities that are available to you.
Celebrate being single.
Celebrate living single. There are many “die-hard singles” who really enjoy living alone. Even if they are in a relationship, there are advantages to being single. You don’t have to share a bathroom. You can stay up late without disturbing anyone. You can cook what you like to eat. You can spend your money the way YOU want to. You can’t change being single now, even if you didn’t plan it, but find ways to enjoy it. Some solitude can be good for all of us as a time of reflection and reorganization of priorities.Take your time when it comes to new relationships.
http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/lovethenexttimearound/ht/unwanted_div.htm
Look at the 5 stages of greiving... for surely divorce is great loss alsoMake sure you pay attention to your emotional needs.
Keep yourself physically fit.
Do things that will nurtue you emotionally and phsycially
Let go of problems that are beyond your control.
Give yourself permission to feel.
Change any expectations you have.
Don't make any hasty decisions
Be sure to make time for fun
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State your "epiphany moment " for leaving the WT
by caliber ini have found some powerful reinforcements when people have stated their " epiphany moment "... please share some.. my turning pointing began when i was badly hurt by a person i had always viewed as a literal brother.
i realized that if his.
love was conditional.... if it was the case with him , then how about those i had less affection for and trust in ?.
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Again I must say I really appreciated all the expressions..... these are heartfelt expression.. ..
in ther honest search each mostly wanted to believe the things they were learning. But real life experience
showed up the flaws and futility of serving man made rules for salvation . These points jumped out at me..
if I tried to execute a "perfect" performance I got up tight and nothing worked right. If I just steeped myself in the music itself letting it flood my soul with its expression it just flowed thru my fingers, bow or voice with ease. There is enjoyment and delight in just experiencing the music - trying to impress someone else with my skill DOES NOT work for me.
I just kept learning more and more of why a person would do better to avoid this "straight jacket" of religiosity
worked hard on being loving - of course I eventually discovered it doesn't work like that. When we accept Jesus Christ's love for us we don't have to work at being loving - it just starts pouring thru us. We start radiating God's love, not our own. And the harder I tried not to be judgmental the more judgmental I seemed to become
these points above by ..... saltyoldlady really touched home with me , I am so grateful for these thoughts and wonderful conclusions reached.. thanks
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I am out of here
by Aussie Oz inthis place has become far to jw ish for my liking.. free expression and rights to make reply are shut down by those who hold the key.. this forum is turning into an uber christian outreach program with those who take umbridge to them getting locked and deleted threads.
it would perhaps not be so bad if the moderators actually communicated to people such as myself rather than cold cutting.
they complain when we make a public outcry and tell us it belongs in a private message, yet cannot see 'the straw in their own eye' and do not use the private messages to communicate why they have done what they do.
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Saying someone shouldn't post in a certain style or using certain words is a personal attack. And those are not allowed here. See Guideline #2
There aren't a lot of people who post here using the particular style he was complaining about. In fact I can only think onf 1 but then I don't read the entire website.
Attack ideas not people. Discuss ideas, not people. And if it really irks you how a person posts then doin't read it.
What about the personal responsibility of the person attacking? They want someone else to change how they post (not what they post but how) so their sensibilities are not disruptive. What about their own responsibility to pass over it so they are offended (.. Lady Lee)
I think these guidelines from Wikipedia helps clarify Lady Lee's point...
There is no rule that is objective and not open to interpretation on what constitutes a personal attack as opposed to constructive discussion, but some types of comments are never acceptable: (Wikipedia )
Racial, sexist, homophobic, ageist, religious, political, ethnic, sexual or other epithets (such as against people with disabilities) directed against another contributor
Definition of EPITHET (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disparage
a : a characterizing word or phrase accompanying or occurring in place of the name of a person or thing b : a disparaging or abusive word or phrase
His charitable works have earned him the epithet “Mr. Philanthropya : a characterizing word or phrase accompanying or occurring in place of the name of a person or thing b : a disparaging or abusive word or phrase
disparaging defined...
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to speak of or treat slightingly; depreciate; belittle: Do not disparage good manners.
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to bring reproach or discredit upon; lower the estimation of: