Posts by FrankRaven

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NWT Bible has Clarity and clear language

by youdontknowhim in

the watchtower writes about their wonderful new world translation: .

"outstanding among bibles is the new world translation of the christian greek scriptures...accuracy, uniformity, clarity, and up-to-date language mark this excellent work.

according to the watchtower the nwt has accuracy, uniformity and most of clarity and up to date language.

FrankRaven

~~youdontknowhim,~~

how's it going,guy?I don't think I have the pic and no,I'm not the Sauce...lol

Have fun

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Test A JW with the Following Questions

by youdontknowhim in

do you believe test

see old watchtower magazine from prior to 1930 known as the watchtower herald of christs presence.

the watchtower; sept. 15, 1922; page 278; jesus returned in 1874 to power.. .

FrankRaven

DO YOU BELIEVE TEST.............great test.Just like the ones you set for in AOL......Great stuff

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Reform Church belief on Trinity

by Double Edge in

.proceeding from the father and the son.. .

neither the father nor the son.. .

.the father was never.

Only JW's Honest - Perpetuating the Stereotype

by NeonMadman in

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the back cover of the august 15 watchtower offers another example of mind control, reinforcing the concept that there are no honest people except for jehovah's witnesses, and that there is no crime within the organization ("if all people were jehovah's witnesses, who would commit crimes?"):.

don't it make you wanna hurl?

FrankRaven

There are just as many honest BACs as there are Witnesses.Better yet,there are about 6 million JWs and as of 10 years ago almost 60 % of the population of the world are christians.So there may be more honest christians then there are honest JWs.Census facts.

Just because one calls themself a Jehovah Witness does not mean they will be honest.Same goes as a BAC.How do I know?Many Elders were charged with child abuse.That doesn't mean all Elders are bad nor does it mean all Church Deacons are pure as snow.

In any religion or org. some may come out not so nice.Even today's crime criminals are according to groups.EXAMPLE:If a population of an area is 1,000..there are roughly 10% criminals meaning 100 criminals.Or if a population of an area is 1,000,000.10% or roughly 100,000 criminals.

So the facts remain and the numbers don't lie...only people lie.

So Jehovah Witnesses aren't the only honest people in the world and some Witnesses aren't honest at all.

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lying lips

by A Paduan in

are the wtbts / jws open and honest about their 'hatred' of those in the world?

"whoever hides hatred has lying lips" .

paduan .

FrankRaven

Good point.When I was with AOL I use to go in and make my comments on what the JW replies were.Plus I remember what they were.Many called me so many names I could get thrown in jail if I repeted it.The monitors,a few, would defend the JWs and when I gave a good topic,a monitor would remove it from the discussion.How do I know a monitor would do it?No one else had the power.Many JWs hate BAC for one reason....we had a good solid answer for a bibical question.

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scriptual proof?

by A Paduan in

is there such a thing in the sense that it is spoken of?

i was thinking of a certain debate i've entered into, scriptual one, and realised that no matter what might be said, hearers of scripture are plainly given to hear it as they will - however it is that i may hear a teaching, another may well not - and it's intended to be that way.

free will is just that.

FrankRaven

Paduan.....good point.But then again religion has no substance when it comes to one's salvation.If we all have to have a religion to have salvation,we all be damned.But Christ told us to follow Him not a Watchtower.

As for one's opinion..you might have missed it all.Example is Luke 24:39.Christ was resurrected in human form as He died it.Christ said Himself to touch Him and handle Him.For He has flesh and bones for a spirit does not have these things."It's not opinion,it's facts then we see.The Watchtower wants one to believe that Christ came back as a spirit.So if Christ came back as a spirit,He would be reincarnated not resurrected.

It's not an opinion...The Bible says it,I've read it,therefore I believe it...and it's fact.Not an opinion.Besides.......Since Luke wrote it,as he saw it....he wants us to believe it in faith.....and faith is the substence yet unseen.

Now I can believe when someone tells me that they have faith.Why not?It's really no arguement there.But if someone tells me that Christ is a spirit,because they read Luke 24:39.So I re-read Luke 24:39.It says that Christ was not a spirit.I read it....it does not say that Christ is a spirit..so I tell them they are in error,because nowhere does it say in Luke 24:39 that Christ is a spirit.So they begin to argue with me...I put up my hand to silent him..then I open to Luke 24:39 and hand him my bible and tell him,"Show me where it says that Jesus is a spirit in Luke 24:39."He can't.End of discussion.

The truth is this,either the bible is the Final Authority of the Word of God or it's just another romantic fictional book.The difference is faith.

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God's channel withholding information

by ballistic in

over the history of the watchtower society, they have published numerous medical articles with warnings of dangerous substances such as aluminium and others promoting quack medicines which never worked.

is it not strange, that the people choosen as "god's channel" would get these things wrong?

even stranger is the lack of information on truly dangerous substances.

FrankRaven

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.Because you have rejected knowledge.I also will reject you from being priest for Me.Because you have forgotten the law of your God.I also for get your children."(HOSEA 4:6)

Witnesses have forgotten the law of God,because they follow after a Watchtower Society and never heed to Christ.And if you have family in the Watchtower and you question the authority of the Watchtower,they(WT)will threatened you with your family and threatened you with disfellowship.

So if anyone leaves the Watchtower does not mean you leave Jehovah God.That's the Watchtower fantasy,but many believe it.

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Did Franz deliberatly alter the Bible?

by sleepy in

its taken as certain by most that the new world translaion is the work of fred franz.. now there are some funny expresions and words he chose to use in that translaion , that most people dont normaly use.but these words and expresions have been turned into catch-phrases by the witnesse, did he choose certain words when others wold have been more accurate in order to do this?

(the expression jehovahs witnesses had already been taken from the bible and used as a "special" phrase).

i wonder more though,did old franz choose these words insead of more common expresions in order to use them to deliberatly make some parts of the bible you woldn't normally link?for example the use of the word time or times in daniel, luke and revelation.is it really the same word that is used in tthe original language or could it be translated a different way, but "times" was used to make the link between them so it would fit in with their ideas on prophecy?are more instances of this in the new world translation?

FrankRaven

the way I heard it,the NWT was the product of Gerber the fortune Teller.

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JW Family Tries Black-Mailing Me

by Prisca in

i have spent the last week or so with my sister and bro-in-law and my 6year old niece, all jws.

they live in a town not too far away from me, and i visit them every couple of months or so.

my sister and i are close, not extremely so, but we appreciate each other as we have no other bros & sisters, our mother died 21yrs ago, and our father treats us as though we are dead too (due to non-jw issues).. last time i went to visit them, my bro-in-law asked my niece to ask me if i'd go to the meeting.

FrankRaven

For all of you who has family still in the Watchtower and force you all to continue to be threatened....my prayers go out to you all.As a Minister who goes out to minister to the Witnesses..Witnesses say I perscuate then when I disagree on doctrinal issues,Well I'd never persecuate them.What true persecution is...is dening family to true droctrine.Forcing a false doctrine upon you all or else.....the "or else," is pure persecution.

As it is written...."Forgive them for what they do....for they do not know what they are doing,Father."

This is truth...the Watchtower knows what they are doing,but many Witnesses do not know what's going on.That is why there are so many here now.They are beginning to see how the Watchtower is truly.....

.....to say,"GEt out of her,my people!"As revelations says........not the UN,but the Watchtower.

And be of good cheer...........When we see the face of the true living Christ,the King......."For I come quickly."

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To a Dear Friend in Riverside called Cliff K.

by FrankRaven in

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greetings cliff......it's been over 26 years since we lived next door to you on hall.i'm just wondering how your doing now days?still a watchtower follower?

(witness)today i'm an ordained minister and i follow after christ.never really liked the idea of following a man made org.. remember when we last talked?about 1987 or 1988?you moved,i believe, over to cyn crest area?remember when you told me how many people left because they were disfellowshipped or walked away from jehovah?well they really left the watchtower and not jehovah god.how do i know?simple,watchtower lies to all of their members in order to control them.. just one more thought.......luke 24:39,tells us that christ came back not as a spirit,but as he left to die.it's called resurrection.if christ came back in any other form he would have been reincarnation.. check it out........with christ......

FrankRaven

Greetings Cliff......It's been over 26 years since we lived next door to you on Hall.I'm just wondering how your doing now days?Still a WatchTower Follower?(Witness)Today I'm an Ordained Minister and I follow after Christ.Never really liked the idea of following a man made Org.

Remember when we last talked?About 1987 or 1988?You moved,I believe, over to Cyn Crest area?Remember when you told me how many people left because they were disfellowshipped or walked away from Jehovah?Well they really left the Watchtower and not Jehovah God.How do I know?Simple,Watchtower lies to all of their members in order to control them.

Just one more thought.......Luke 24:39,tells us that Christ came back not as a spirit,but as HE left to die.It's called resurrection.If Christ came back in any other form He would have been reincarnation.

Check it out........With Christ.....