Posts by FrankRaven

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JW's, no worse than anyone else?

by sleepy in

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as far as i can see most jw's no worse than anyone else on this planet.

humans are often in "conflict" with the opinions of other humans , believing their ideal is "right" while others are "wrong".in general the people that make up jehovahs witness, that is seperate from those leading ,are often trying to do their best to do what they think is right.this sometimes leads them to do things i believe are wrong even .but so do many other people and groups do things i think are wrong.am i the only one who is right?i think not.there are no rules to being human just choices, some based on what some feel to be scientific reality other on spiritual fealing other on something else.

who desides what is the best, is there even a best way of life?so while i belive jw's are factualy wrong and this causes them to do , what seem to me to be illogical things so do most other people just in different ways.edited by - sleepy on 1 october 2002 14:17:32.

FrankRaven

Sleepy, mostly what you say is true.Many are no less any then any other,but in a few respects.You can't get to heaven by following the Watchtower let alone an earthly paradise.

And if you don't follow Christ,you still don't get to heaven or a earthly paradise.Witnesses refuse to follow Christ and they think there is another way besides Christ.Christ said Himself that He was the only way to go,(John 14:6).

So basically,if you don't look towards Christ,nothing else works.Jehovah Witnesses think they have the inside scoop on heaven,Christ,and Jehovah.Sure if you think another gospel is on the way.At least the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society does have another Gospel,another Christ,and another Way.That's the wrong way.

And just a thought,religions aren't the way either.

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Concerning Luke 24:39

by FrankRaven in

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when one talks to a witness about the resurrection why do they always say that christ came back as a spirit when christ clearly said in luke 24:39,that he did not come back as a spirit?scripture clearly says that ,"a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see i have.".

"it is not a form of religious persecution to say and.

to show that another religion is false .

FrankRaven

Why is it so hard,"AGuest," to understand what Luke 24:39 says?Can you see it as you read it?It says that Christ said that He was not a spirit as those who think He was.I do not run all over the Bible when I try to explain what is there.Christ clearly says that He was not a Spirit.All can see it...all can hear it,yet one who is blinded by Satan can only see what Satan wishes all those to see.You see that I am a Pauline Apologetic Minister...after saying that which means I don't tip toe around the issues.I don't try to sugar coat to nor do I let things slide.I nedd the facts so I give the facts.

For those who feel comfortable around an idea that will never work....fine,but you should never tell someone things that don't exists.Russell was a fantasy story teller and the WT is a lier.As long as you support any way shape or form the WT,I can say you're a Watchtower Follower.Besides Russell created the Bible Students..the Judge created the Jehovah Witnesses.

Peace Be Unto You

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WT Nov 4 Study Article - Damage Control??

by Tish in

just been given this watchtower and found the 2nd study article very interesting..... is this the societies damage control to panorama and dateline?.

para 8 onwards says...... 8 satan tries to break our integrity through the sowing of doubts about what we have been taught.

today, as in the first century, apostates and others seek to destroy the faith of the guideless ones.

FrankRaven

Watchtower(GB)as far as I'm concerned,is a very part of the AntiChrist system.Just check out Luke 24:39 for example.Christ says Himself that He is not a Spirit,yet the Watchtower Followers say it's not in there and run to another scripture.Why it even says it in the NWT 1970 edition.And in Jeremiah 23:5,6,says that Jesus is called Jehovah.(NWT 1970 edition)

Instead of telling a JW that they are wrong,I bring it to the JW's attention that the Watchtower says it.That way JWs may see it for themselves how the Watchtower errors.On the other hand many may defend a religion instead of Jesus.I perfer to defend Christ,then any one religion.

The reason why many Witnesses defend the Watchtower,instead of Christ,is you can't touch or see physically Christ,but you can man.Like in the day of Moses,Isreal made false idols not because they couldn't trust God,but because Isreal wanted a god they could see and touch.Even though Isreal saw the Power of God,knew the power of God,they longed to create a god they could control,they thought.Isreal still wanted their own way.Watchtower does the same thing.

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Diaglott says Logos was God

by Mulan in

i am posting this for another person on the board, who couldn't do it because of the posting limits here.

these are her comments:.

this is a copy of the 1942 jws emphatic diaglott!

FrankRaven

Gin...how true,but one problem still excists.......the "a," in John 1:1, doesn't belong there,plus it was never there.In ancient proper greek no direct article,plus the "a," was added....not the greek,but the "a," itself was added.

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STRATERGY FOR DISFELLOWSHIPPED ONES

by minimus in

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one thing that i've learned within the last couple of years, is that there is power here.

the exposing of the united nations connection was huge.

the pedophile problem in the organization is known because certain people got out and did something about it.

FrankRaven

Although almost only the United Pentecostals teach that Jesus is God Almighty (Jehovah) Himself, WTS says the Trinity is believing Father, Son, Spirit are one "identical" person and falsely say most all Protestant and Catholic churches teach that, even though the fact is that most all other Protestant and Catholic groups accept the trinity idea as being three totally different entities or persons forming one "Godship" (Ro 1:20), Son and Spirit sharing
inherited age, power, knowledge from God just as an acorn may be only one day old but also have its genes inheriting its ancestral oak tree's age, capacity and information!

The UPC teach that Christ is the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

God the Father is the Father...God the Son is Jehovah God and the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit.

Again the UPC,(United Pentecostal Church) teach that the Father,Son,and Holy spirit are One Being.

Orthodox christianity teach that The Father,Son,and the Holy Spirit are One God in 3 beings.

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Hello, I'am "Ex-Watchtowerite-Hubby's Wife

by AwakenedAndFree in

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i'am new here.. firstly, i would like to thank simon and his wife anghrad for this website.

i have been reading posts here for several months.

this forum has indeed helped me with my exit from the watchtower, as well it continues to be a great source of help, theraphy, encouragement and information.. my husband is a member here.

FrankRaven

Hello, I'am "Ex-Watchtowerite-Hubby's Wife:::::::::::

Welcome to the board.

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NWT Bible has Clarity and clear language

by youdontknowhim in

the watchtower writes about their wonderful new world translation: .

"outstanding among bibles is the new world translation of the christian greek scriptures...accuracy, uniformity, clarity, and up-to-date language mark this excellent work.

according to the watchtower the nwt has accuracy, uniformity and most of clarity and up to date language.

FrankRaven

~~youdontknowhim,~~

how's it going,guy?I don't think I have the pic and no,I'm not the Sauce...lol

Have fun

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Test A JW with the Following Questions

by youdontknowhim in

do you believe test

see old watchtower magazine from prior to 1930 known as the watchtower herald of christs presence.

the watchtower; sept. 15, 1922; page 278; jesus returned in 1874 to power.. .

FrankRaven

DO YOU BELIEVE TEST.............great test.Just like the ones you set for in AOL......Great stuff

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Reform Church belief on Trinity

by Double Edge in

.proceeding from the father and the son.. .

neither the father nor the son.. .

.the father was never.

FrankRaven

Article 8 is very well good point.

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Only JW's Honest - Perpetuating the Stereotype

by NeonMadman in

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the back cover of the august 15 watchtower offers another example of mind control, reinforcing the concept that there are no honest people except for jehovah's witnesses, and that there is no crime within the organization ("if all people were jehovah's witnesses, who would commit crimes?"):.

don't it make you wanna hurl?

FrankRaven

There are just as many honest BACs as there are Witnesses.Better yet,there are about 6 million JWs and as of 10 years ago almost 60 % of the population of the world are christians.So there may be more honest christians then there are honest JWs.Census facts.

Just because one calls themself a Jehovah Witness does not mean they will be honest.Same goes as a BAC.How do I know?Many Elders were charged with child abuse.That doesn't mean all Elders are bad nor does it mean all Church Deacons are pure as snow.

In any religion or org. some may come out not so nice.Even today's crime criminals are according to groups.EXAMPLE:If a population of an area is 1,000..there are roughly 10% criminals meaning 100 criminals.Or if a population of an area is 1,000,000.10% or roughly 100,000 criminals.

So the facts remain and the numbers don't lie...only people lie.

So Jehovah Witnesses aren't the only honest people in the world and some Witnesses aren't honest at all.