i refer to the post below about women, with which i and many others take great exception.
who is this guy, why is he saying these things, what is he getting at, am i missing something?.
francois
At the start Einstein was an atheist.Then as he moved on in life he began to study the universe as a whole.So at the out come of his life he realized that the universe in such a perfect order had to have a creator.
A house...it needed a designer......A car..it had it's creator.And to say,"man," had no creation is the foolishness of all.
Einstein went from atheist to a theoist.He knew there was someone out there more smarter them himself So this Joseph should go back to the book and re-read it.
i've read what joe alward wrote.if he's an atheist,i can see why he won't trust the bible.i mean after all,he has done the one major thing most folks why try to tear the bible apart to prove absolutely nothing.
by taking a verse out of content and not reading the next verse can mean anything for anyone.i mean the watchtower does it all the time.
example: ezekiel 20:25,"therefore i also gave them up to statutes that were not good,and judgments by which they could not live.
OK.
I've read what Joe Alward wrote.If he's an atheist,I can see why he won't trust the bible.I mean after all,he has done the one major thing most folks why try to tear the bible apart to prove absolutely nothing.
By taking a verse out of content and not reading the next verse can mean anything for anyone.I mean the Watchtower does it all the time.
Example: Ezekiel 20:25,"Therefore I also gave them up to statutes that were not good,and judgments by which they could not live."So in other words would that say God lies?Sure,if that all it says,but someone forgot to read the 24th verse,"because they had not executed My judgements,but had despied My Statutes,profaned My Sabbaths,and their eyes were fixed on their Father's idols."So does God lie?Read on.....
Numbers 23:19,"God is not a man that He should lie....."
Titus 1:2,"in hope of eternal life which God,who can not lie,promised before time began."
And as for a thought,"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God,for they are foolishness to him;nor can he know them,because they are spiritually discerned."(1Cor2:14)
"For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him?Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God."(1Coe2:11)
So,let God be true in all things and as I close,"For God does confound the foolish."
the bible says that god's word can be trusted: "every word of god is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
(proverbs 30:5) but, the verses below suggests the opposite is true:.
"so now the lord has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours.
infidels I can feel sorry for;Mentally challenged..I can place pitty upon.but those who have the intellegence to see the full focus of the perfect universe,as Einstine did,are not worth their folly.As for Einstine,,he went from and atheist to theologist.He knew that the universe had a creator.
Now many of us doesn't have the mind if a genius,but then again there is God.For God does confound the foolish....
my mother in law went back into the maw after disassociating herself in 99. her elder husband had left her, and her kids and her grandkids wouldnt speak to her and it got to be too much.
i heard yesterday that she went back and he is moving back in.
and this just after she was here in june saying how she didnt believe in any of it, but tried to "force herself" and "convince herself" it was the "trooth" last spring so that her husband would come back, then came to her senses.
LovesDubs,.........I'm so sorry this happened.I'm always hurt,angered,and feel bad after what I've heard about you.So all I can do is to say,"I still love you."I'll always support you and I'm still praying for your family and you.
The Watchtower's main job is to make sure family is ruined and crushed and lost.Around here I don't see too much field service,but if I can find some,I live in a farming community in the Mid-West,and the Bible Belt,I'm going to go from Door-to-Door again as I use to in Los Angeles.That is follow up on the JWs
What the Witnesses go Door-to-Door talking about the Kingdom,I go Door-to-Door talking about the kingdom and the promise of Christ's Salvation.Witnesses don't talk about Christ's salvation.
So hang in there LovesDubs.......and keep your prayers going...Prayer Works......
RevFrank
as far as i can see most jw's no worse than anyone else on this planet.
humans are often in "conflict" with the opinions of other humans , believing their ideal is "right" while others are "wrong".in general the people that make up jehovahs witness, that is seperate from those leading ,are often trying to do their best to do what they think is right.this sometimes leads them to do things i believe are wrong even .but so do many other people and groups do things i think are wrong.am i the only one who is right?i think not.there are no rules to being human just choices, some based on what some feel to be scientific reality other on spiritual fealing other on something else.
who desides what is the best, is there even a best way of life?so while i belive jw's are factualy wrong and this causes them to do , what seem to me to be illogical things so do most other people just in different ways.edited by - sleepy on 1 october 2002 14:17:32.
Sleepy, mostly what you say is true.Many are no less any then any other,but in a few respects.You can't get to heaven by following the Watchtower let alone an earthly paradise.
And if you don't follow Christ,you still don't get to heaven or a earthly paradise.Witnesses refuse to follow Christ and they think there is another way besides Christ.Christ said Himself that He was the only way to go,(John 14:6).
So basically,if you don't look towards Christ,nothing else works.Jehovah Witnesses think they have the inside scoop on heaven,Christ,and Jehovah.Sure if you think another gospel is on the way.At least the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society does have another Gospel,another Christ,and another Way.That's the wrong way.
And just a thought,religions aren't the way either.
when one talks to a witness about the resurrection why do they always say that christ came back as a spirit when christ clearly said in luke 24:39,that he did not come back as a spirit?scripture clearly says that ,"a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see i have.".
"it is not a form of religious persecution to say and.
to show that another religion is false .
Why is it so hard,"AGuest," to understand what Luke 24:39 says?Can you see it as you read it?It says that Christ said that He was not a spirit as those who think He was.I do not run all over the Bible when I try to explain what is there.Christ clearly says that He was not a Spirit.All can see it...all can hear it,yet one who is blinded by Satan can only see what Satan wishes all those to see.You see that I am a Pauline Apologetic Minister...after saying that which means I don't tip toe around the issues.I don't try to sugar coat to nor do I let things slide.I nedd the facts so I give the facts.
For those who feel comfortable around an idea that will never work....fine,but you should never tell someone things that don't exists.Russell was a fantasy story teller and the WT is a lier.As long as you support any way shape or form the WT,I can say you're a Watchtower Follower.Besides Russell created the Bible Students..the Judge created the Jehovah Witnesses.
Peace Be Unto You
just been given this watchtower and found the 2nd study article very interesting..... is this the societies damage control to panorama and dateline?.
para 8 onwards says...... 8 satan tries to break our integrity through the sowing of doubts about what we have been taught.
today, as in the first century, apostates and others seek to destroy the faith of the guideless ones.
Watchtower(GB)as far as I'm concerned,is a very part of the AntiChrist system.Just check out Luke 24:39 for example.Christ says Himself that He is not a Spirit,yet the Watchtower Followers say it's not in there and run to another scripture.Why it even says it in the NWT 1970 edition.And in Jeremiah 23:5,6,says that Jesus is called Jehovah.(NWT 1970 edition)
Instead of telling a JW that they are wrong,I bring it to the JW's attention that the Watchtower says it.That way JWs may see it for themselves how the Watchtower errors.On the other hand many may defend a religion instead of Jesus.I perfer to defend Christ,then any one religion.
The reason why many Witnesses defend the Watchtower,instead of Christ,is you can't touch or see physically Christ,but you can man.Like in the day of Moses,Isreal made false idols not because they couldn't trust God,but because Isreal wanted a god they could see and touch.Even though Isreal saw the Power of God,knew the power of God,they longed to create a god they could control,they thought.Isreal still wanted their own way.Watchtower does the same thing.
i am posting this for another person on the board, who couldn't do it because of the posting limits here.
these are her comments:.
this is a copy of the 1942 jws emphatic diaglott!
Gin...how true,but one problem still excists.......the "a," in John 1:1, doesn't belong there,plus it was never there.In ancient proper greek no direct article,plus the "a," was added....not the greek,but the "a," itself was added.
one thing that i've learned within the last couple of years, is that there is power here.
the exposing of the united nations connection was huge.
the pedophile problem in the organization is known because certain people got out and did something about it.
Although almost only the United Pentecostals teach that Jesus is God Almighty (Jehovah) Himself, WTS says the Trinity is believing Father, Son, Spirit are one "identical" person and falsely say most all Protestant and Catholic churches teach that, even though the fact is that most all other Protestant and Catholic groups accept the trinity idea as being three totally different entities or persons forming one "Godship" (Ro 1:20), Son and Spirit sharing
inherited age, power, knowledge from God just as an acorn may be only one day old but also have its genes inheriting its ancestral oak tree's age, capacity and information!
The UPC teach that Christ is the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
God the Father is the Father...God the Son is Jehovah God and the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit.
Again the UPC,(United Pentecostal Church) teach that the Father,Son,and Holy spirit are One Being.
Orthodox christianity teach that The Father,Son,and the Holy Spirit are One God in 3 beings.
i'am new here.. firstly, i would like to thank simon and his wife anghrad for this website.
i have been reading posts here for several months.
this forum has indeed helped me with my exit from the watchtower, as well it continues to be a great source of help, theraphy, encouragement and information.. my husband is a member here.
Hello, I'am "Ex-Watchtowerite-Hubby's Wife::::::::::: |
Welcome to the board.
