Well if Adam is ressurected I hope I get to meet him and tell him who's bloody fault it is that mankind has suffered for thousands of years.
How do you cope with living FOREVER with a guilty conscience?
I could almost feel sorry for HIM.
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Adam to be Resurrected - Yes?
by Focus inwill adam be resurrected?.
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(anti-flipfloppery class)
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Ministers of Manipulation
by Victor_E ini would like to share with all my experience i had yesterday in visiting a non-denominational church in juarez mexico yesterday, at the insistence of a colleague of mine who is a psychologist.
we got there fifteen minutes late and we walked into a building with some three thousand people.
on stage was a music group singing religious songs working the crowed into a state of emotionalism frenzy.
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Sounds just like a great comedy movie I saw a few weeks ago with Steve Martin playing a charismatic preacher con man !
I dunno about you people but nowadays my eyes start to glaze over the second someone mentions the M word in the same context as religion.Free
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Marrying "Only in the Lord"
by TMS inthe wt definition of "only in the lord" meaning only dedicated witnesses of jehovah in good standing greatly narrows the field of eligible mates.
this has brought about some unusual unions because of the circumstances, involving people who would ordinarily not meet, let alone marry, if it were not for a shared belief system.. what unusual couplings have you seen in your jw days?
how large was your personal field of possibilities and did it include some unusual options?
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mmm interesting topic.
My experience was that raging teenage hormones were a major factor in choice of mate.The majority of my peers married at 18 to the first person they felt attracted to.Some seemed happy but others definitely were ill-matched.
Having the same belief system is actually quite a factor in Witness marriage.After all being a JW swallows up your whole life and keeps you far too busy to analyse your marriage.Any gaps in communication are full of chat about witness stuff.Everything in your life revolves around that.If you have any nagging worries about your relationship the society even offer marriage counselling in their publications or you could approach an elder to lay bare the problem.
Just like the friendships you form in the org. no matter how well you hit it off and the years of closeness you enjoy the "Truth" is the glue creating the bond.
Take away that common goal and belief and the friendship or marriage is more than likely doomed.Or is it?
It would be interesting to hear from any ex-JW's about their experiences with their Witness partner and how their relationship developed when the common denominator was gone (or,of course JW's experience when their mate left the org.)
I suppose for me the "only in the lord" ruling played a part in my downfall because I simply never met a marriage mate in the org. To my credit I did not do as other young JW's did - have a fling with a worldly person here and there.I was very strong about steering clear of temptation and all that.When I finally got round to having a proper relationship in a full sense I had left the org. for a while and did not feel I could be called a hypocrite for allowing my loneliness to take over.After all God created us with a natural desire to find a mate and I had certainly put years and years of prayerful thought into it to no avail!!
My husband's family would have liked me to convert to Islam but fortunately hubby wasn't concerned about it.Our relationship is a meeting of hearts and minds with a strong friendship and religion doesn't affect it.We give eachother space about our beliefs which of course would be impossible if I was a JW as I would be duty-bound to try to convert him !!Luuuuuuuurrrve
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INTERNET SECURITY
by Amazing inhey all: this is short and good i recently had a total crash on my pc.
i built the thing myself, and it used to run like a race horse.
but, unknown to me, my old anti-virus program was not updated due to my subscription running out, and my getting lazy about staying watchful.. so, i installed a new security program.
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Amazing
Thanks for the info. I must need one of those firewall thingymejigs!!
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INTERNET SECURITY
by Amazing inhey all: this is short and good i recently had a total crash on my pc.
i built the thing myself, and it used to run like a race horse.
but, unknown to me, my old anti-virus program was not updated due to my subscription running out, and my getting lazy about staying watchful.. so, i installed a new security program.
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Hi All
Sorry to show my ignorance but how can you tell if you have been hacked or an attempt has been made?Free
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Question: Any Other Info on Mexico/Malawi?
by Had Enough inhello all:.
on a previous post i read in the past couple of days, someone asked if there was any other sites posting info on the mexico/malawi fiasco as told to us in the c of c book.
i can't find that post to see if anyone answered it, and i have looked at the few other sites like freeminds and watchtower observer for any info but couldn't find any.. does anyone know of any references, either here or at other sites, to this subject?.
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Thanks from me as well
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Malawi/Mexico issue
by Free2Bme ini'm sure everyone is familiar with the info on mexico and malawi brought out by ray franz in crisis of conscience regarding military service plus the equally shocking info about mexico and the cultural crap.. what i was hoping (to help me open my witness mum's eyes) was some real life experiences from mexican jw's at the time who can confirm the bribing went on with the full knowledge of the society or that they were going to the meetings with no prayers and bibles used etc.. what were they told?
how did they feel about the malawi jw's being raped and murdered for not buying a card?.
any info on either of the issues that elaborates on crisis of conscience would be appreciated.my mum is shocked about both of the them and i think she just can't let herself believe it!.
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Hi all
Just brought it to top again cause I wondered if anyone had any other info that adds to Crisis of Conscience.
Please help me out if you can cause it's a big debate with my mum at the moment.Thanks
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HEY! 2001 CONVENTION POINTS
by Amazing inthe following is a recent jw advertisement about their upcoming conventions.
it can be found on the jw-media.org site under recent news.
i will quote them in italics and then make my own observations.. jehovah's witnesses office of public information.
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Hey this is getting seriously weird.
I actually felt a pang of longing to go to a convention just now.
Think I'd better go off and give myself a stern talking to.
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Hair-raising Tale!
by Free2Bme inlet's have some fun.did you find out some juicy gossip about a witness that you are just dying to blab?.
here's one from me.. i went to a hairdressing salon for the first time and the stylist was a camp male who never stopped chatting from the second he got his gesticulating paws on my scruffy mop.. my mum who is a devout jw was sitting reading a mag waiting for me.. next thing he's telling us about his gay male friend who is a bit down because he is having an affair with a jw.
to make things worse he is married with kids (the brother not the gay friend).. stifling my shock and trying not to look at my mum who is staring wildly and unseeingly at her mag i asked his name or address and although he didn't know the name he told us his street and district!.
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I had a messed up family situ like that.
My cousin had his eye on my brother's fiancee.Tried to lure her off but no go . After they wed he became a regular visitor at their home.They had a gorgeous baby and a lot of debts and were both still in their teens(you know how it is in the JW's everyone races out of school straight to the alter!)Get the picture it wasn't all rosy.So cousin Superbuddy suddenly stops going to meetings.My bro who was always weak warmed to this different uncertain side 'cause he never really was into the perfect pioneer one. Next thing Cousin suggests they go out...pubs...clubs etc.They both stay out all night and make up some cock'n'bull story to my S.I.L.
So what do you think happens next? Cousin goes to the elders and my S.I.L and all hell breaks loose.Despite my bros denials that any serious wrongdoing went on the elders went with the elder's son story and bro was DF'd.
OK so he shoulda seen that coming but God he was 19 with debts a wife and baby!!
So S.I.L says she doesn't want a non-witness hubby and drops him.Enter comforting cousin whose car was parked outside her house all the time.Of course he had returned to the fold and resumed his perfect pioneer persona.I was well impressed.My bro took an overdose in my flat while she dated our cousin and the loving advice I got from the elders who came to counsel me for giving him a roof over his head-exact words: "tell him he's not welcome over your doorstep".
To my eternal shame I did as well.
So bro dissapeared from my life.S.I.L married my cousin and cut me out of my nephew's life which is a subject too painful for me to tell yet.Assemblies were fun.Half of our family ignored eachother.Cousin and wife stopped attending assemblies for a couple of years(no kidding) just so I couldn't see my nephew and to give him time to forget me(enough I am choked even after all these years)
If that is christian love then shove it.Sorry didn't mean to blurt out all that but it was the shittiest time of my life .
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Song of Solomon - YEAH BABY
by philo ini just reread song of solomon for the first time in over ten years.
despite using the nwt, which butchers most biblical poetry to admiration, i was nevertheless struck its beauty.
if you haven't read it, it is about a shepherd's love for one of solomon's concubines, and it evokes a delicious, aching, tantalising, desire - yup really.
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