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  Has anyone felt like leaving God altogether?

  by lookingnow22 in

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  i know that the answer is yes, but it would help me to hear your sentiments on this.

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  after you decided that the wbts, and thus jw's were not god's chosen earthly organization did you feel like you wanted to leave and forget god altogether?.

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  Lookingnow22
  How you are feeling is perfectly natural.Personally I have gone through many stages in the 10 years I have been out. Including a stage of defiance and anger toward God.
  When I first left I needed Him the most but felt that my prayers would be unheard thanks to WT teaching.This left a huge void.
  Then 6 years ago I met my hubby who is a moslem and when we talked about God I was surprised how similar our feelings were. I decided that it did not matter if you prayed to Jehovah or Allah or whatever as long as you acknowledged that God exists and you respected that.
  There are remote corners of the world where the Bible or Koran etc have never even been heard of.Usually it is found that these people end up worshipping something because presumably they feel a spiritual need of some sort.
  The trouble with us is that we have so many paths and Gods to choose from.Maybe you remain convinced the Bible is inspired by God...so that's narrowed it down to Christianity anyway.Doesn't make it any easier does it?
  But what about Atheism? Sorry it's only flitted past my mind once or twice and it just didn't do it for me.Too far removed from my whole life up till now. After all we wouldn't have been JW's for all those years if we didn't have a love for God would we?
  Nowadays when I pray I tend to just say "Father" but I still think "Jehovah". Force of habit.
  I do not need religion and am doubtful if I will ever join any sort of religious following again.But as for retuning to God..well I realise I never really left.

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  You Know's Spiritual Mad Cow Disease

  by AlanF in

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  it's evident to all readers besides fredhall that our beloved you know is suffering from spiritual mad cow disease.

  parallel to the disease after which it is named, it is contracted by eating spiritual food infected with an unusual pathogen which gets deep into the brain and gradually destroys it.

  symptoms include instability, uttering loud noises and falling on one's face.. spiritual mad cow disease is propagated in an interesting way.

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  It never ceases to astound me how standards must have dropped in the org.
  There was a time when bad language was frowned upon and a matter for the elders.
  Now it seems anything goes especially where abusing non-JW's is concerned.
  Tut tut.

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  Are they demons?

  by Free2Bme in

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  since i left the org.

  i have read some mind-boggling books on subjects such as mind-control, witchcraft, demonism, and conspiracy theories.. i obviously do not believe all i read but never-the-less have come across interesting real-life experiences that have made me wonder.. recently i read david icke's "the biggest secret" and found his theories on shape-shifting lizards ruling the world bizarre to say the least.. but something david icke said stopped me in mid-sneer.he said replace the lizards with demons if that was how you wanted to think of it.. it reminded me of a book i once borrowed from library about a young woman who was possessed by demons and described their shifting appearance as horrifically ugly or transforming to absolute visions of male beauty.. so if satan and his demons do rule this world as we were taught is it so unbelievable that they might possess influental people and certain individuals with psychic perception would be able to catch glimpses of them shape-shifting?.

  anyone else familiar with icke's ideas and material?

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  Since I left the org. I have read some mind-boggling books on subjects such as mind-control, witchcraft, demonism, and conspiracy theories.
  I obviously do not believe all I read but never-the-less have come across interesting real-life experiences that have made me wonder.
  Recently I read David Icke's "The Biggest Secret" and found his theories on shape-shifting lizards ruling the world bizarre to say the least.
  But something David Icke said stopped me in mid-sneer.He said replace the lizards with demons if that was how you wanted to think of it.
  It reminded me of a book I once borrowed from library about a young woman who was possessed by demons and described their shifting appearance as horrifically ugly or transforming to absolute visions of male beauty.
  So if Satan and his demons do rule this world as we were taught is it so unbelievable that they might possess influental people and certain individuals with psychic perception would be able to catch glimpses of them shape-shifting?
  Anyone else familiar with Icke's ideas and material? What do you think?
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  Adam to be Resurrected - Yes?

  by Focus in

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  will adam be resurrected?.

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  (anti-flipfloppery class)

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  Well if Adam is ressurected I hope I get to meet him and tell him who's bloody fault it is that mankind has suffered for thousands of years.
  How do you cope with living FOREVER with a guilty conscience?
  I could almost feel sorry for HIM.

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  Ministers of Manipulation

  by Victor_E in

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  i would like to share with all my experience i had yesterday in visiting a non-denominational church in juarez mexico yesterday, at the insistence of a colleague of mine who is a psychologist.

  we got there fifteen minutes late and we walked into a building with some three thousand people.

  on stage was a music group singing religious songs working the crowed into a state of emotionalism frenzy.

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  Sounds just like a great comedy movie I saw a few weeks ago with Steve Martin playing a charismatic preacher con man !
  I dunno about you people but nowadays my eyes start to glaze over the second someone mentions the M word in the same context as religion.

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  Marrying "Only in the Lord"

  by TMS in

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  the wt definition of "only in the lord" meaning only dedicated witnesses of jehovah in good standing greatly narrows the field of eligible mates.

  this has brought about some unusual unions because of the circumstances, involving people who would ordinarily not meet, let alone marry, if it were not for a shared belief system.. what unusual couplings have you seen in your jw days?

  how large was your personal field of possibilities and did it include some unusual options?

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  mmm interesting topic.
  My experience was that raging teenage hormones were a major factor in choice of mate.The majority of my peers married at 18 to the first person they felt attracted to.Some seemed happy but others definitely were ill-matched.
  Having the same belief system is actually quite a factor in Witness marriage.After all being a JW swallows up your whole life and keeps you far too busy to analyse your marriage.Any gaps in communication are full of chat about witness stuff.Everything in your life revolves around that.If you have any nagging worries about your relationship the society even offer marriage counselling in their publications or you could approach an elder to lay bare the problem.
  Just like the friendships you form in the org. no matter how well you hit it off and the years of closeness you enjoy the "Truth" is the glue creating the bond.
  Take away that common goal and belief and the friendship or marriage is more than likely doomed.Or is it?
  It would be interesting to hear from any ex-JW's about their experiences with their Witness partner and how their relationship developed when the common denominator was gone (or,of course JW's experience when their mate left the org.)
  I suppose for me the "only in the lord" ruling played a part in my downfall because I simply never met a marriage mate in the org. To my credit I did not do as other young JW's did - have a fling with a worldly person here and there.I was very strong about steering clear of temptation and all that.When I finally got round to having a proper relationship in a full sense I had left the org. for a while and did not feel I could be called a hypocrite for allowing my loneliness to take over.After all God created us with a natural desire to find a mate and I had certainly put years and years of prayerful thought into it to no avail!!
  My husband's family would have liked me to convert to Islam but fortunately hubby wasn't concerned about it.Our relationship is a meeting of hearts and minds with a strong friendship and religion doesn't affect it.We give eachother space about our beliefs which of course would be impossible if I was a JW as I would be duty-bound to try to convert him !!

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  INTERNET SECURITY

  by Amazing in

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  hey all: this is short and good i recently had a total crash on my pc.

  i built the thing myself, and it used to run like a race horse.

  but, unknown to me, my old anti-virus program was not updated due to my subscription running out, and my getting lazy about staying watchful.. so, i installed a new security program.

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  Amazing

  Thanks for the info. I must need one of those firewall thingymejigs!!

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  INTERNET SECURITY

  by Amazing in

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  hey all: this is short and good i recently had a total crash on my pc.

  i built the thing myself, and it used to run like a race horse.

  but, unknown to me, my old anti-virus program was not updated due to my subscription running out, and my getting lazy about staying watchful.. so, i installed a new security program.

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  Hi All
  Sorry to show my ignorance but how can you tell if you have been hacked or an attempt has been made?

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  Question: Any Other Info on Mexico/Malawi?

  by Had Enough in

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  hello all:.

  on a previous post i read in the past couple of days, someone asked if there was any other sites posting info on the mexico/malawi fiasco as told to us in the c of c book.

  i can't find that post to see if anyone answered it, and i have looked at the few other sites like freeminds and watchtower observer for any info but couldn't find any.. does anyone know of any references, either here or at other sites, to this subject?.

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  Thanks from me as well

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  Malawi/Mexico issue

  by Free2Bme in

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  i'm sure everyone is familiar with the info on mexico and malawi brought out by ray franz in crisis of conscience regarding military service plus the equally shocking info about mexico and the cultural crap.. what i was hoping (to help me open my witness mum's eyes) was some real life experiences from mexican jw's at the time who can confirm the bribing went on with the full knowledge of the society or that they were going to the meetings with no prayers and bibles used etc.. what were they told?

  how did they feel about the malawi jw's being raped and murdered for not buying a card?.

  any info on either of the issues that elaborates on crisis of conscience would be appreciated.my mum is shocked about both of the them and i think she just can't let herself believe it!.

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  Hi all
  Just brought it to top again cause I wondered if anyone had any other info that adds to Crisis of Conscience.
  Please help me out if you can cause it's a big debate with my mum at the moment.

  Thanks

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