Posts by freeman

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PRESS RELEASE

by silentlambs in

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please distribute freely to press.. silentlambs.

tuesday, may 7. .

jehovah's witnesses begin excommunicating child sexual abuse whistleblowers .

Take solace in the fact that you are not alone Bill Bowen. Like others before you, many whistle-blowers have become targets of the organizations they try to reform. You are in very good company my friend. The more noble the cause, the more cruel the treatment will be. And what could be a more noble cause then protecting innocent children? Nothing.

I have seen first hand the treatment of such ones, and it is despicable to say the least. The greatest weapon you have is exposing the truth. You are doing quite a good job of this, as indicated by the Watch Tower’s response. YOU ARE WINNING!

Keep up the fine fight for the little innocent ones Bill Bowen, and remember you are not alone, the thoughts, hopes, and prayers of many are with you.

Freeman

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Rabies and WT

by badboy in

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i understand that the wt once said that the existance of rabies had been disproved?.

on what basis did they say that?

freeman

Yes they did say there was no such thing as rabies, in fact they stated that germs did not exist at all and that “biting worms” running around on the inside of our bodies caused many of man’s ailments.

They also said such nutty things as, it was impossible for rockets to leave earth’s atmosphere, aluminum cookware causes diseases, madness, and early death; wearing a belt containing a small amount of uranium can improve your health; aspirin contributes to heart disease; the human heart (the organ) actually ‘feels’ emotions and the personality of a person can be transplanted from one person to the other along with the organ and also via a blood transfusion.

MY GOD, they actually put these nutty ideas in print! I could go on and on, but you get the idea. On what basis did they say all this? The same basis they say anything and everything else, their own self-delusions.

Freeman

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My daughter (11) and the U.N.

by avengers in

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she said to me the reason the watchtower was involved with the u.n. was because two bad brothers signed up without the wt knowing about it.

can someone tell me what they are feeding these kids?

i am asking in a polite form, contrary to my feelings!

freeman

I showed my 13-year-old son the Watchtower’s hypocrisy directly in the form of a letter from the UN mailed to me on their official stationary. Then I showed him their duplicity exposed on UN web site. I told him they will present him with some sort of denial but there it is my son, see it with your own eyes. He then broke down and told me how he didn’t understand or believe in the blood policy. We both had a good cry together over this as the chains of the Watchtower dropped to the ground and shattered.

Fellow posters; Do you think exposing the Watchtower’s lies in this forum have no affect? Think again, I am winning back my son from the clutches of this cult! THANK GOD FOR THE TIRLESS EFFORTS OF SO-CALLED APOSTATES, AND THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET!!!!

Freeman

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NOTE TO GOVERNING BODY

by Francois in

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have you folks or your agents read and carefully digested the posts in the very recent thread entitled "how many got the real truth from the internet"?.

and it spells trouble for you.. you would be doing the world a favor if you just admitted your faults and disbanded the entire organization.

and given the destruction you've wrought in people's lives over the last hundred years and more, that's exactly what you should do.. but, since there's so much money involved you won't do that until you're forced.

freeman

amen!

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Trinity quote....who remembers?

by miner in

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i'm hoping someone here can help me out.

i am involved in an on-going study with a jehovah's witness and our current topic of discussion is whether or not trinity is a biblical doctrine.

i seem to vaguely remember a wt quote where if people study the bible alone, they end up believing this trinity idea....did i dream this one up?

freeman

Bang: How do I feel about it? Not good I guess, but that was then. In hindsight, I knew I was full of it because my own Bullshit detector was going off loud and clear. To make matters worse, I was telling all this to a Lutheran minister, someone well versed in Greek (college level) and I was trying to tell him it was a bad translation, and that what Thomas was quoted as saying was not the real meaning of it. He said to me, and I quote him verbatim “Get behind me Satan”. Now I understand, and he was 100% correct for saying that.

Freeman

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celebration of birthdays...a matter of conscience?

by Angst in

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my family and i have argued about this for awhile now and i would like someone to confirm this.

back in the late nineties at a district convention during the late sunday afternoon (yawn) symposium i swear i heard mention that the society now views the celebration of ones birthday to be a conscience matter and should be done with extreme caution so as not to affend others who may still view it as wrong.

forgive me for not remembering which year it was that this was mentioned.

freeman

Lets not forget about that “spiritually immature” complainer JOB. Remember him?

The Bible says each of his children had their “special day”. My living Bible translates it to each had their “Birthdays”. Oh the utter BULLSHIT we were fed by the Watchtower!

Freeman

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Trinity quote....who remembers?

by miner in

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i'm hoping someone here can help me out.

i am involved in an on-going study with a jehovah's witness and our current topic of discussion is whether or not trinity is a biblical doctrine.

i seem to vaguely remember a wt quote where if people study the bible alone, they end up believing this trinity idea....did i dream this one up?

freeman

FYI the trinity doctrine is not specifically a biblical doctrine. It is more or less a doctrine that evolved as Christians pondered the nature of God. Early on, the new church had the idea that Jesus was more then just a man. In fact, if you recall, the Apostle Tomas called him “My Lord and my God”, or more correctly translated, “The Lord of me and the God of me”. So at the very least, one Apostle thought he was God. And when he said that, Jesus did not correct him. A very powerful scriptural witness I would say. And please don’t fall for the BS JW excuse that Tomas was just shocked and excited that he said “Oh My God!” like the expression that is commonly used today. (I used this BS explanation in field service once, and I new I was full of it even back then). Also consider that during the first century, when Tomas said this, saying such a thing as a Jew would have been considered blasphemes to say the least if it were not true.

Writings by early church Elders, some of them hand picked direct disciples taught by the Apostles, equate Jesus with God Almighty in no uncertain terms.
Again, a powerful witness.

Gradually the Holy Spirit also comes into play as indicated by these writings. So yes it would be correct to say there is no specific doctrine of the trinity in the Bible, but it is also true that all the elements of the trinity are there (Father Son Holy Spirit etc.).

And yes reading the Bible alone, as the Watchtower society correctly pointed out, would lead one to form conclusions that are part of what we call mainstream Christianity, including the idea of the trinity or at the very least that Christ was much more then just an angel as the Watchtower society presents him. On the other hand, no person ever adopts the beliefs of the Watchtower Society by reading the Bible alone, never. I hope this info helps.

Freeman

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silentlambs is not disfellowshipped

by silentlambs in

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i had an interesting day today.

early this afternoon i was sent an email by a sister who was chastising me for claiming to not be disfellowshipped.

she wrote she had just spoken to the oregon service desk and was assured that i was df on no uncertain terms.

freeman

Hey yardif/lefty

EAT SHIT AND DIE, BROTHER

Freeman

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Zebras (Awake! magazine Jan 2001)

by Duncan in

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well, weve been in our new house now for almost two years, and we finally got our first visit from the witnesses, a couple of days ago.. two very nice middle-aged ladies stood on my doorstep, asking me would i accept their two magazines for free?

- they were old issues from january well, how could i refuse?.

its gods will that zebras are striped and thats the beginning and end of it.. for an educational magazine this is just a disgrace.. can you hear the voice of the great teacher in this?

freeman

The AFAKE and the WITCHTOWER; two rags that admirably demonstrate the breath, depth, and level of modern scientific knowledge and religious scholarship within the JW community, or at least what the GB thinks their level should be.

The WATCHTOWER: Best described as predigested religious pabulum, arranged in such a fashion that its contradictory cut-and-paste duplicity is well hidden from the minds of the reader.

The AWAKE: Touted as an almost scientific journal but without the need to conform to common scientific principles as REAL SCIENCE is often at odds with the thinking and conclusions of the authors. Then again, what would you expect from people that literally DESPISE AND DEMONIZE higher education.

Just my 2 cents

Freeman

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Vaccination and JWs

by badboy in

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interesting quotes about vaccination.. `thinking people would rather have smallpox than be vaccinated'.

`vaccination causes...syphilis,tuberculois(sp)

freeman

Paraphrased: “biting worms in the lower colon” causes many diseases

almost forgot this gem: "But the dog-rabies-vaccine imposition is the latest.... Rabies! When it has been shown conclusively that there is no such thing as rabies!" [Emphasis Added]

Oh the words of wisdom from the Watchtower!

Freeman