Posts by freeman

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Congretional Voting

by badboy in

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y allowed, but no voting in national elections?

Being removed from Gods spirit as you no doubt are, you obviously also are a person that has little in the way of spiritual understanding as is evidenced by you lack of understanding on this simple matter.

In your simple mind you reason that this is some type of hypocrisy when in fact it is just part of theocratic order.

I shall explain further heathen.

There are many examples like this and if you had the correct viewpoint you would understand why it is OK for the Watchtower to condemn the UN as being a manifestation of the devil and the churches that support it by being NGO members while at the same time the Watchtower is also an NGO member of the UN.

Fool that you are, do you not see this is theocracy not hypocrisy? Is it not plain to see?

Must I point to yet other examples unworthy one?

When the Watchtower says that you must die rather then receive an organ transplant, a vaccine, or a particular blood fraction and then changes its mind without so much as an apology, your heart should rejoice!

But does it? Likely not.

In fact you feel anger rather then pride after the death of your child because of Gods ever-changing rules as distributed by the Faithful and Discreet Slave.

I could go on and on with examples but it is wasted on one such as you, someone who lives their life using reason and logic rather then faith in Gods Faithful Slave.

But there is Good News, the Good News of Jehovahs Kingdom!

And in a nutshell hear it is:

Soon, very soon, God will wipe all tears from everyone eyes when he kills you, your children, and most of the people alive today.

I know a logical thinking person like you cant understand this, but just trust in God. After all, its for your own good.

Freeman

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Angelic protection-how does that work again?

by PopeOfEruke in

we read of recent events, 5 jw children killed in a car accident, jw's caught and beheaded and be-tongued (and not necessarily in that order) in the phillipines, a busload of witnesses burnt to death in spain on the way to the district convention (some years back).

and so on and so on..... yet the wt and bible too tell us "have no fear because jehovah and his myriads of angels are watching over us and will protect us.".

well, they do a pretty crappy job at it!

freeman

I recall several times that divine intervention protected me.

On more then one occasion my van or car that I used for service would breakdown and I was unable to go out that day. This protected not only me from the drudgery of field service but others that depended on me providing transportation as well.

I also recall one or two occasions that I had picked up a bad case of the runs. So no way was I going door to door in that condition.

So there you have it folks, positive proof God is protecting his people through automobile breakdowns and diarrhea.

Hallelujah! Freeman

Edited by - freeman on 29 August 2002 8:46:26

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Watchtower Dishonesty

by caspian in

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another fine example of the watch tower dishonestly quoting and taking out of context what people believe and say.. this fine example was emailed to me by a good friend an ex district overseer in the usa.

let me offer a good example of the use of selective quotations.

for many, many years the society has quoted famed british astronomer sir fred hoyle out of context.

freeman

The dishonesty I found in this WT publication is what finally opened my eyes.

Freeman

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Why Is Smoking A Disfellowshipping Offense?

by twain30 in

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the main reason given in the 1973 watchtower was that smoking is tied in with spiritism because the greek word which is rendered as spiritism is pharmakia' which literally means "druggery," (see galatians 5:20.

) therefore the argument was made that by smoking we put ourselves under spiritistic or demonic control.

for the last 20 years i haven't heard this reason used.. today the reasons given are that smoking shows no respect for your body as well as for life and that smoking doesn't show love of neighbor.

freeman

The true reason smoking is a Disfellowshipping offense is because a group of men that control the lives of others who in turn let their lives be controlled say it is.

This is the essence of a religious cult, or more correctly as Francois so well stated, a high control group. Men that claim to be Gods direct channel tell others what to do and if you dont do as they say, you are guilty of not offending and disobeying men, but God himself. They make up and change the rules as they go.

Yes folks, we were part of a cult, but thank God we came to our senses before we drank the cool-aid.

Freeman

Edited by - freeman on 27 August 2002 8:43:42

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I told a MS EVERYTHING today!

by meat pie in

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this old chap is quite sweet really, and i wasn't going to say anything much.i studied with him and his daughter and they are neighbours, but there was just us two in my house (!

) and it all came pouring out.i get sick of the 'when are you coming back'...'what else is there'... where else would you go' questions, and i don't even know what started it, it was a bit of a blur, i went on for at least an hour and 'brought out the following points'.

have you had your new blood card yet?

freeman

NICE JOB, WAY TO GO MEAT PIE !!!

Freeman

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Sedition in the Californian sun

by freeman in

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this week i find myself a few thousand miles from my home on a business trip to california.

i look at it as a paid vacation and a chance for my young son to see what california is like for the first time.

he thinks the girls are hot, and i have to agree.

freeman

This week I find myself a few thousand miles from my home on a business trip to California. I look at it as a paid vacation and a chance for my young son to see what California is like for the first time. He thinks the girls are hot, and I have to agree. He just loves it here. I've been here about a week and I don't know maybe it's because I'm out of town and nobody knows me here but I just felt I had to commit and act of sedition.

Yesterday, Sunday 19, some dubs apparently decided it would be a good idea to drop off the Watchtower and Awake rags in the lobby of the hotel where I am staying. I found myself with a dilemma. Should I let them sit there and do nothing putting others at risk? Should I put them in the trash, which is where they truly belong? Or should I do something creative with them and do it without displaying hostility towards the Borg in front of my young impressionable son. I opted for the latter.

On each and every one of these cult rags I wrote one of the simplest yet most powerful messages one could write here in Silicon Valley. I simply wrote

www.silentlambs.org People don't understand the blood issue, the doctrine issues, the false prophecy etc. But people really do understand pedophilia and when they go to this site they see the Watchtower is on the wrong side of this issue.

When I get home I am going to see about getting stickers made with that message to place on every such rag I happen upon. I'm even thinking of starting a "magazine route", visiting Laundromats, stores, and doctors offices where I know these rags are often "placed".

Sedition in the Californian sun is just such good fun!

Burn Watchtower burn!

Freeman

Edited by - freeman on 19 August 2002 12:30:32

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Wishing Bill Bowen A Happy Birthday

by Cassiline in

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today is bill's birthday.

happy birthday bill.

wishing you a little time to yourself.

freeman

Screw the Borg and spread your wings, freedom is what you have achieved today and it's a great time to be alive! I wish I were there with you, I would buy you a beer or two or three.

Happy Birthday Bill!!!

Freeman

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Martha Poll

by Derrick in

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[ ] innocent .

[ ] guilty .

freeman

Guilty,

All she had to do was fill out one single form, a form of intent to sell. If she did this she would be home free. Even Bush and Cheney filled out theirs, thats why they were found without fault after several investigations over and over again (not that you would know that from the way the news slants it, but in reality they did nothing wrong).

In Marthas case she was a licensed broker and she knew the rules, and the rules are that if she trades on so-called insider info she has to disclose it so as to let other people not privy to that same info have a fair chance at getting out before the stock tanks. IMO Martha needs to see a little jail time like the rest of us would if we did the same thing.

Freeman

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WT says 'Church Fathers were leading teachers'

by youdontknowhim in

was it jehovahs witnesses who acknowledge the church father as leading teachers?

this is a very interesting statement by justin.

do you accept origen as an authority when he said jesus is our god?

freeman

You have made some good points and it is abuntely clear the Watchtower writers are amazingly dishonest in this particular subject.

I remember, placing that Trinity brochure myself. Of course I never researched it for myself and so I have nobody to blame but myself for being so thoroughly deceived. Many years later I have now independently read many of the the works of the early church fathers and there is no doubt whatsoever they believed in the divinity of Christ. Further the Holy Spirit is believed to also be a viable personality equal to the Father and the Son.

And lastly, I agree they espoused at least what would be considered an early formation of the concept of a Trinity doctrine in their many writings.

Personally I will not debate if they were correct in their thinking, but like Thomas they did indeed believe Jesus to be both their Lord and their God.

Bottom line, the Watctower is lying through their teeth. So what else is knew?

Freeman

Edited by - freeman on 7 August 2002 11:2:53

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CHANGED---NEW POLICY/INVITATION

by silentlambs in

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as a few may recall watchtower policy has changed when circumstances serves the interest of the governing body in getting rid of someone they want to railroad.

an example that has been offered involves peter gregerson.

peter was a personal friend to ray franz, in 1980 peter wrote a letter to the society, saying he wanted no further association with the organization.

freeman

Bill,

I dont mean to sound disrespectful but you are getting exactly what you deserve. And if I were in their position, I would take similar actions against you too because its all they seem to know how to do.

The fact is that you Bill Bowen are a stand-up guy and they are sniveling cowards, and this is how cowards deal with people like you. Their problem with you Bill is that you just refuse to play by their rules and you wont roll over and you wont play dead.

You were supposed to turn a blind eye to the abuse going on like so many others in the organization have, but you didnt. And now through all the publicity you have generated, you are shinning a light on them and they are scrambling like a bunch of cockroaches.

In their twisted geriatric minds they are taking a logical course of actions against you. From their viewpoint you got in their face about it, you showed them up for what they are, and now they are dealing with you in the only way they know how. How sad to see Gods supposed channel act like foolish old men, but that is what they are fools.

Hang in there my friend, you are better then they are and you have thousands if not millions on your side.

Freeman (proud to just share the planet with someone like Bill Bowen)