Posts by freeman

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Wedding Ceremony

by JohnR in

my brother and his family have been jw's for over 10 years now.

i am not and no one else in my family is a jw.

my brother's son will be getting married shortly and we will be attending the service in the kh.

As you are probably aware, the first wedding was performed by God himself in the Garden of Eden. The JW wedding is a simple ceremony fashioned after the verses in the Bible book of Genesis. There will be many scriptures quoted outlining the responsibilities of both the husband and the wife.

You should be aware that they dont throw rice at the end as this custom is of pagan origin, so dont bring any.

For most people the most striking difference is the nudity. The audience is not required to be nude, however understandably the bride and groom are, as the first bride and groom were. I would say that 75% of the time the wedding party is also nude, but that is not mandatory, only the bride and groom must be nude just as the first bride and groom were back in Eden.

Its actually a very lovely ceremony, Im sure you will enjoy it.

Freeman

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Letter read at Supplimentary Elder's School

by messenger in

jw
friends

christian congregation

of jehovah's witnesses

2528 route 22

freeman

They still dont get it, do they? When a child is raped and the child is the only witness, sorry kid its your word against his.

What would happen if the so-called brother is accused not of rape, but of murder, of killing his wife? The only witness to the alleged crime is the surviving child.

Will the elders also say, sorry kid cant do anything about it or will they at least call the police and let them investigate?

See the double standard?

Possible crime of murder, call the police, possible crime of child rape, cant call the police without two witnesses, and maybe not even then.

So why is this sick policy in place, why the double standard?

Ask yourself; of what crime have some members of the governing body accused?

Ill give you a hint; its not murder.

Now you get the picture dont you?

Theyre not just protecting the congregation pedophiles; theyre protecting the governing pedophiles!

Christ I Hate The CULT!

Freeman

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Some wackly questions 4 JEHOVAH'S WITNES

by badboy in

jw
friends

s.. do u believe that neanderthals/cro-magnons were bound 2 god in a covenant relationship?.

a religious group in america doesn't believe in saying the names of the days because they r of pagan origin,should u therefore do the same to prove u r less pagan?.

i wonder what answer i would receive?

freeman

Badboy,

As far as Neanderthals and Cro-magnons being bound to God in a covenant relationship, I believe they were. If I recall correctly, in the holy cave writings, God provided the symbol fire as an everlasting sign of this covenant. The everlasting sign lasted until God put out the fire during the flood, followed of course by yet another everlasting sign of the rainbow.

It seems I very vaguely remember some tidbit about a JW calendar that eliminated the pagan references. Im thinking this was long ago in JW history, like maybe from the 1930s or so. Then again maybe my memory is playing tricks on me again; see why you should stay away from drugs, dont do drugs.

Seriously, someone such as Alan F. or another sharp poster may be able to confirm the theocratic calendar, or my dementia, perhaps both.

Freeman

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NWT IS "THE BEST AVAILABLE" Translation

by plmkrzy in

religious scholar praises

jehovahs witness

bible

freeman

Willy_Think,

Thanks for the interesting link. I have read some of this information before but this is the first time I have seen it all compiled in one place. Without getting bogged down in any type of debate, I would like to point out again that for whatever the reasons stated in defense of the NWT, the NWT is not a translation at all but a trans- literation, there is a big big difference!

A translation requires scholars and a long time to complete, many die long before completing the task, a transliteration on the other hand does not.

Not one person on the so-called translation committee had even the most basic skills or credentials required, and the NWT, as many true scholars have indicated, sure does show it.

Freeman

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JanG - You're a Legend!

by Beck_Melbourne in

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i received this email only seconds ago and i'm just passing it on to those that knew jan, i have no other details:.

jan groenveld will no longer be a part of these forums.

she passed away in her sleep last night.

freeman

Don't know what to say. She has helped MANY and she will be missed.

Rest in peace JanG

Freeman

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NWT IS "THE BEST AVAILABLE" Translation

by plmkrzy in

religious scholar praises

jehovahs witness

bible

freeman

To say it is the best available, is an assertion with little support

at best. However I do have to agree that the interlinear itself is quite

good. Please reread what he said, he was praising the interlinear,

not the NWT bible, a BIG DIFERENCE! What he did not state, and you

would know this by examining it for yourself, is that The Kingdom

Interlinear Translation Of the Greek Scriptures 
		a ccurately shows

what a poor, dishonest, and biased translation or more correctly a

trans-literation the NWT truly is.

Yes the kingdom interlinear shows how the NWT deviates in certain

passages so as to support the witnesses unorthodox theology without

regard to giving a consistent rendering of the Greek text.

 Just my 2 cents

 Freeman

Edited by - freeman on 22 October 2002 16:20:55

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What Bad Counsel Was Given To You By The Elders?

by minimus in

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friends

i've heard a ton of "bad counsel" given by elders such as "you should or shouldn't marry this person", "give up that job", "you should pioneer"........were you given any "bad counsel"?

freeman

I was told I had to leave a good paying job, (it was in a defense plant). I quit the job and I paid a price of low paying jobs for years and years.

Then I got another great job that was not defense related at all but they came around again, and this time they told me I had to make a choice, a choice between my job or going to the meetings. I miss some meetings because I had to fly each week.

This time I kept the job, lost the meetings, and now have a REAL life in the REAL world. Best decision I ever made in my life!

Freeman

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OK, Who Subscribes to Communism On This Forum

by Guest 77 in

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seeing that this forum is getting into evolution and individual theories, i would like to lengthen the envelope and ask who on this forum is willing to admit that he/she subscribes to communistic ideologies, and why?.

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guest 77

freeman

Communism is by far one of the greatest forms of governments on the face of the earth, NOT!!

Communism has been a dismal failure everywhere it has been implemented. Rather then freeing the majority of its subjects, it has enslaved them. People dont defect from the USA or other free lands to live in the USSR, Communist China, or Cuba, however the reverse has certainly been the case in the not too distant past, has it not?

Evolution on the other hand, which has no connection to communism, is a great success.

So powerful and successful is adaptation via natural selection and mutation that we must use antibiotics and poisons with care so as not to encourage the development of new species of drug resistant germs and poison resistant rodents.

Freeman

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Dinner with an "Annoited" one

by johnathanseagull in

hmmmm don't think i've ventured as far as posting any personal experiences but how about this one.

as a very very impressionable 16 year old, i happen to be at dinner with parents at an "annoited" person's house.

she was single in her sixties then and carried an air of.......mmmm lets say mystic (for the want of a better word)........lunch was served and it was all very serine as you could imagine being in the presence of such a person.

freeman

I give it another six months max.

Freeman

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My Dumb Ass JW Brother

by Reborn2002 in

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as some of you know from my sharing portions of my story on this board before, i disassociated myself from the jehovah's witnesses in 2001. my family, including my mother, sister, and brother, remain jehovah's witnesses.

i have an extremely limited relationship with my mother and sister.

i possess no relationship whatsoever with my brother, his wife, and their now 1 yr old son.

freeman

While in high school (which thankfully the Dubs dont discourage or matters would be even worse) my brother was in all AP and honors courses, graduated with a 3.9+ G.P.A. and was ranked in the top 10 of a class of over 400.
Scholarships and opportunities awaited him

Wow he was a smart dumb ass indeed.

Never give up hope, sometimes you never know what it takes before they see the light. In my case it was the decision to provide for my family or please some men. My gut told me I needed to get out of debt and start earning enough money so we did not have to live on the edge anymore.

My brother never went beyond high school and an aviation vocational school but he sure is smarter then I ever was; he never joined a cult now did he? He saw them for what they really are, I was a dope, we all were dopes. Its just some dopes take more time to smarten up and some regrettably never will.

Freeman