Posts by freeme

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Sharing the 'real' truth by commenting at meetings

by skeeder in

having recently gotten my commenting 'privleges' back i try to sow seeds of truth with them.. here are two tidbits i have shared:.

1----- the bible highlights-------when the older men judged legal cases, they did it at the city gates where the proceedings could be observed.. 2-----wt study yesterday-----the world was judged wicked and noah was judged righteous---he was a 'preacher of righteousness' before he started on the ark.

there is no indication that god ever intended for anyone else other than noah and his family to get on the ark.

freeme

sometimes i try that too. but in a different way, since its hard to tell the truth if its slighty different from the "official" version. everyone sniffs the apostate smell in a second.

i usually give an answer and go over the top with my words. i try to show the dumbness of what is written by being extremely excited and happy about stuff that every normal person would regocnize as insane made up bull&%§!
works best with the revelation book! like when the book changes the whole meaning of a bible passage AGAIN to suit the story i give an answer and tell how wonderful it is that god gives us the insight to clearly understand the bibles message. its so clear!!!!! so clear! no doubt possible!

unfortunately in 99% of the times i did that everyones nodding and being on my (acted) side. only one time a sister made a criticism! she said its not logical for her at all and she doesnt understand it. after some senseless words without any real explanation she nodded too, but i saw she wasnt satisfied. success!

the revelation book is such a made up fiction story on the rare cases i visit the study i sometimes would like to stand up and scream.

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They keep family together?! Bull*&^!

by 4mylove in

i always found it so strange (at least till i started posting here) that when my hubby told his parents about me the first thing he was instructed to do was speak to the elders.

i thought to myself, shouldn't he be speaking to his parents.

i was doubly hard because when he told them about me, we were living together!

freeme

no, you're all wrong. its us who tear up families, because we dont believe in the lies of the society anymore which mysteriously are truths of the one true religion. we spread our satanic ideas from which our familymembers and friends needs to be protected from! its so important! its their everlasting lifes!!!!! the jw religion does not split anything up, its a religion of love and unity! the ones that rebel against "gods" laws are the one who destroy everything!!

i wanna puke. its like a criminal points a gun at you wanting all your money and you wont give him and get shot. and when the police arrives the criminal is released free of charge, because it was YOUR fault. you didnt give him the money!

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personal beliefs re: life after death...none since leaving JW.... You?

by oompa in

i do not have a clue anymore.

having just accepted my own mortality, what the hey does happen at death?

i never thought about it before, because i did not have to.

freeme

@oompa

i had/have the same problem like you. Since childhood i "KNEW" what happends on death, no questions necessary. At the age of 26 i suddenly regocnized that i never really worked this topic out for me. I feel like a 5 year old wondering what death is. I never learned to live with an "unknown" death.

i thought nights about that topic trying to catch up with every "normal" human.

i came to my personal conclusion: we'all know what death is. we'all were dead from all eternity until our birth. it didnt hurt. it was okay. not very exciting but ok. lol. i dont expect dieing and then seeing myself in another "under"world. Nor do i expect me being raised from the dead. I dont rule anything completely out.

After all there might be god and maybe there will be "something", but my logical mind tells me that all this stuff is likely the invention of a monkey which finally realized that it wont live forever and searched for an idea to comfort itself.

Since everything except "nothing" is pure speculation without any chance of evidence i expect nothing. its not the "wonderful hope" my mum always talks about but its more "truth" to me than everything else.

I think the question "what happends after death?" is like the question "what is on the backside of the moon?" (BEFORE we checked it lol). In the moon case it was very likely there is nothing since we see the front of the moon, but since we had no chance to check there couldve been a whole alien population laughing about us on the backside. We couldnt know. And when someone said there is an alien population noone could proof him false. After all we checked it... and there actually IS nothing just like on the front of the moon. Do you see the alikeness to life? We know what happened BEFORE life (frontside of the moon), so we likely know whats after life (backside of the moon).

thats my best guess :-)

i may be wrong though. has someone a death "spaceprobe" to check?

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My Very First Post

by leaving-jws in

i have been so reluctant to post basically because i am so torn about exposing my personal life.

i happen to come across this website by mistake about 6 months ago.

i agreed with your opinions of the jws view on higher education and independent thinking that i found on this website.

freeme

The JWs do not have truth. It seems so crystal clear! But no one can see it but me...

this made me cry my first months of serious doubtings. is it me who is ignorant everyone else? and "everyone" means everyone who i call friend or relative. all jws in my case.

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i found a pice of sublimnal art as a dubbie i'm shocked!

by XOCO in

you guys this has really freaked me out so much tonight as i was looking though my revelation book climax at hand i was looking to see where we had left off and i usually do this by seeing where i have stopped highlighting in the book.. so i started at pg 156 & 157 of the book so there were a bunch of marks on those two pages their are pics nothing special there.. but on page 159 their is a pic of jesus in the heavens where he is extending his handout to get a piece of paper and that's where i notice on the hand that were the wrinkles are supposed to be there is a face like a fetusnow i mean anybody can tell you that is a face of a baby.

i don't know why a baby on jesus hand or what it suppose to mean.

i guess it really shows how the control tower (watchtower) make me a jw feel really shitty.

freeme

ya, i dont see it at all. and i see monsters, aliens, humans and animals in the texture of my carpet. a baby?!

i dont believe in sublimal pictures in wt literature at all. most if not all of the tower are misguided sincere ppl. its just coincidence when a picture looks like something else. like i stated above its easy for a human to see faces and stuff in random patterns.

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Why does the WT society not open its own non blood hospitals?

by Gill in

why does the watch tower society not build and operate its own hospitals for its people who refuse to have blood in their treatment programme?.

surely, if bloodless surgery and treatment is so superior and they could prove it with their own statistics and survival rates they could show that blood should not be used.. so, what are they afraid of?.

freeme

a) it costs money and doesnt really help in getting more members (not enough bang for the money)
b) there are not many jw surgeons outthere. and those who would do it should spent their time in ministry.
c) ministry is more important than saving ones life temporarily.
d) jws would study medicine to work there. going to university is no good for a jw... jw shouldnt be educated but busy in ministry, ministry, ministry!

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Apostate Presence Rattles World Conference on Religion

by SickofLies in

i know many of you probably never saw my post a few days ago inviting everyone to the world religions conference where i was a key note speaker.

i'd like to send a big thank you to kwintestal and mincan for showing and giving their support, surfice to say it made quite an impression that the three people standing up and defending atheism at the event were all ex-witnesses.

the theme for the event was on the topic of morals and modesty.

freeme

jw mind: "yes, babylon the great will fall one day and this is the beginning! the bibel is true!"
my mind: "it would be wonderful if humanity would be freed of all those lies"

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A very pleasant Non-Shunning at Dollar Tree.

by AK - Jeff in

lp was a long time elder before he 'stepped down' a few years back - unexplained.

his son zp, is a fine young man of about 22 or 23 now i think.

they have a carpet cleaning business.

freeme

With few exceptions, I think most JWs are decent, just misguided. .

true, true, true. i see it the same way. my whole family, my sisters, my parents, friends... all of them are nice ppl and i love them much. its just the twisted religion who controls their minds and let them think showing hate is showing love. its sad, but many of not most of them are good ppl.

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God cannot break his own laws!

by LtCmd.Lore in

jw
friends

whether or not he has actually done so is tangential to this topic.. my question is: why does the wts seem to think that god cannot break his own laws?.

there was recently a co at our hall, he was talking about religious stuff as they usually do.

but he said that the old saying: "with god, all things are possible.

freeme

Interesting thread Lt.
One scriptural story pops to mind, in the god cannot break his own rules/make mistakes category, right away.
Noah and the ark. The biblical account, said that god regretted making man, hence the flood. So, god who is perfect, and cannot break his own rules, gave mankind a chance at redemption after Adam and Eve screwed up, then took a hissy fit, with the people of Noah's day, regretted making them, and poof, wiped them all out, then he says, he'll never destroy all living things again, oh wait, yeah, armageddon, he'll just destroy all the wicked people, same thing, different method perhaps? Isn't that sort of like bending the rules?
And I always found it funny that the bible never says god regretted making the angels after they came down to earth and bonked the local chicks, yet he regretted making man. Double standard or what? LOL Now thats one to wrap your head around...the angels in heaven, were jealous of fleshly passion and wanted in on the action. Guess heaven isn't all its cracked up to be right?

hahaha! youre great sweetstuff :-D seriously these are some nice views. to this day i never wondered about Genesis 8:21-22 before. but yes, he told that there wont be a destruction because of mankind again. but im sure the witnesses answer to that is that he meant he wont destroy ALL animals again. in armageddon its "only" nearly all humankind. the view of god regretting making man when the angels did wrong in first place is new to me. thank you! the whole thing with the nephelim i never believed fully. is heaven such a boring place that GENDERLESS angels want to be HUMANS and OF COURSE MALES! it seems like not even one angel wanted to be a woman. women dont enjoy sex you know? its the same curiousity like god smelling burned flesh of sacrficed animals and actually "liking" it... thats what the bibles tells us... in most cases the bible story makes MUCH sense, when you think of it as an ancient religious book written by humans including their human views and ideas of the world. and nearly makes no sense at all when you label it with the god sticker. the same fits creation/evolution. that humans have the genetic blueprint for a tail in their genom isnt proof against creation, but it makes much sense from a evolutionary viewpoint. im not a evolutionist btw. im pretty much undecided. still a jw, still (below average) active, still cant see the light at the end of the tunnel.

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God cannot break his own laws!

by LtCmd.Lore in

jw
friends

whether or not he has actually done so is tangential to this topic.. my question is: why does the wts seem to think that god cannot break his own laws?.

there was recently a co at our hall, he was talking about religious stuff as they usually do.

but he said that the old saying: "with god, all things are possible.

freeme

@threadcreator:

i think you missunderstood the jw concept. its not that god cannot break his own "laws", because the laws are human laws not god laws. there are no laws for gods in the bible. what he cant break are his own principles! the biggest example is righteousness. the idea is that god cannot be unrighteous, because he dont want to, hes perfect (so he always does want he wants) and he doesnt change.

its more of a promise to man, but an inability of god. and since this promise comes from a perfect god there is no chance it will fail.

thats the mind concept.

edit:

its like when a man says "i wont ever kill my children!". he wont do that, he loves them - he doesnt want any harm to them. so in his whole lifetime he "cannot" kill his children, because he loves them. noone would even think of the possibility. but that doesnt mean that he would be practically unable to do so...