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  How To Get People Out

  by OneFootIn in

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  has anyone had any success in getting anyone else out?

  how do you even go about doing this without getting df'd for apostasy?

  is there any way of using the principles we learned about preaching in reverse to get people out?

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  Awakened07

  Hi, welcome to the forum.

  It's hard. It has to come from within themselves. There's too much fear going on in their head; fear of losing their eternal future life, fear of apostates, fear of Satan, fear of losing their friends and family that is in.... fear.

  This means that even if they are subjected to factual, truthful statements and findings that expose the WBTS, they will push it away; almost literally put their fingers in their ears and sing la-la-la-la.

  I think I opened up to the possibility that they were wrong because everyday life made me have to skip a few meetings, and I eventually managed to look at things 'from the outside'. Only short glimpses at first, but it was eventually enough to make me finally curious enough to do some research.

  That said, I vividly remember an illustration a CO gave in an assembly talk; this was so horrible that even though I was still in at the time, it made me see things differently. So it can be done. Then again, I was never a 'super-witness'. So I guess I already had the distance needed to be able to actually think for myself about the content of the illustration.

  - If at all possible, I think it takes time. You can't just show them something out of the blue and expect them to leave instantly, no matter how factual and true that something is. But... people are different.

  Some here have some experience in this, but I'm not sure how successful they've been.
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  WTBTS Hints At Incest/Pedophilia?

  by sacolton in

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  2. beliefs

  from their publication on breaking free of self-abusewhy?

  [watchtower 1973 sept 15 pp.564-5].

  many things are suggested.

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  Awakened07

  17 year old son: "Mom, dad - can I sleep in your room tonight?"

  "Sure son. Any special reason?"

  "Uhm.... Well... I.... Uhm.... See, it's like this;..... Uhm... I've been thinking about.... I'd like to avoid.... Uhm... Nevermind!"

  Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

  Sleep on your side? Yeah, I guess, since that prevents your private parts and brain from working...
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  Talk by brother Herd (long)

  by moomanchu in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the stars fall from heaven?

  ~sigh~ and youll fall across the finish line into the new world!

  we dont want that brothers.

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  Awakened07

  -The more they talk, the more I know I made the right decision.

  So - keep talking, nutters!

  Doing me a favor.

  
  However - had I been 'in' still, I would probably have thought this was the greatest talk ever;
  the more horrific in detail and urgency, the more I would feel 'elevated', and 'lift my head',
  'cause the end was near. So - I guess you have to view it from the outside to appreciate the absurdity of it all.
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  Where was Noah's flood ?

  by a Christian in

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  one of the things that has long been debated is the location of noah's flood.

  the most popular, and most common claim, is that the flood was in mesopotamia, or present day iraq.

  but, as has been pointed out on this forum before by alan f and others, the major problem with this theory is that the entire area drains into the persian gulf.

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  Awakened07

  Noah believed that the world was flooded,

  -I thought these stories were inspired by God, who had, let's say, a much higher vantage point than Noah?

  Is the whole scriptures inspired? If so, I don't think this scripture fits with a local flood:

  2 Pe 3:5-7 (KJV) "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: | Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: | But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

  One could say that 'earth' here only means 'land', but it talks about 'heaven and earth' several times here, and the earth "standing out of the water and in the water", which to me seems to imply the meaning of the entire earth. If not, will judgment day also be a local affair, of the heavens and earth 'kept in store by the same word' [as back then]?

  I guess there's a chance I'll get my unscholarly butt kicked again, but hey - my interpretation is as good as anyone's. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.
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  Thanks for the welcome

  by BonaFide in

  1. jw
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  thanks so much everyone for being so supportive.. i am having an increasingly difficult time giving my parts on the meetings, going in service, and shepherding.

  the wt study is so.....controlling?

  that i have a hard time studying that too.

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  Awakened07

  I am not sure if this goes on a new post or if I should have added these comments to my first post. I can't use my own computer or post every day.

  This forum works a little differently from others. I think what most here do (at least I do), is to click the "Active Topics" -link close to the top of the page. This dispalys all the topics that have had a reply recently. Whenever someone posts a reply to a topic, that topic will be "bumped" to the top of the 'stack'. So by clicking Active Topics, it's quite easy to stay up-to-date (although sometimes it moves real fast in here).

  For you own posts, you can click your own name and there you'll find your personal post and topic list (the ones you have made). Then you'll quickly see if anyone has posted to your topic recently, and when it happened.

  Welcome again.
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  30,000 Jehovah's Witnesses to convene at Nutter Center

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  now there is any appropriate place for jws.. http://www.daytondailynews.com/l/content/oh/story/living/religion-faith/2008/07/08/ddn070808conventionweb.html.

  by khalid moss.

  staff writer.

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  Awakened07

  Easy jokes aside - - so now they are 'guided by God's spirit'? Are they or aren't they?? They can't seem to make up their mind on this.

  Perhaps they mean "inspired by" as in "having to do with God related things"?

  'Cause their prophecies and doctrine can't be 'guided by God's spirit'. Unless God is very poor at channeling his thoughts...
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  JW STYLE COMEDY.

  by whereami in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  more emails making the rounds.. .

  the district conventions are right around the corner.

  85-90 percent of "all scouting" done is done here.

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  Awakened07

  Now I've never...

  -Things sure have changed since I were in.

  No, wait... *remembers a see-thru dress and a black thong*

  As you were.
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  this sucks

  by Troggle in

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  last night at work (i work as a mananger for a fast food reasturant).

  one of my employees came through the drive through.

  he told me he had taken a drug test for a job at a warehouse where one of the brothers from my old kh was the hiring boss.

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  Awakened07

  The rumor mill starts working overtime when people are disfellowshipped or disassociate. They cannot fathom that anyone can exit for other reasons than immorality, drug or alcohol use, gambling etc., so one person probably says something like "Perhaps he left because he was depressed and started using drugs? He looked a little apathetic last time I saw him." - Next person (who heard this) says - "Wow, know what I heard?? Brother such-and-such is a drug addict! I have it from reputable sources!" And so on and so forth.

  "Brother such-and-such doesn't agree with the 607 or 1914 dates, or the appointment of WBTS by Jesus in 1919" just doesn't cut it. Needs something juicy that won't "stumble" the others...
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  BAD JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES: Were YOU One Of Them?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  were you really not considered a good little witness?

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  were you one of the "bad" ones that everyone was cautioned about?.

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  Awakened07

  I was a very middle-of-the-road Witness, with auxiliary pioneering once as the 'highlight' of my 'career'. I was told though, that if I could just keep up my ten (or was it fifteen?) hours a month, I would be considered for MS soon. Never happened, but then again, I don't think I managed to keep up the hours. Just as well.
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  Bibles to read???

  by Troggle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can anyone please give me a little advice on a good bible to use?

  after looking around my house i realized that i only have one bible and it is the nwt.

  i have tried using the kjv but would like a good one in regular english rather than old english and i have been brainwashed into distrusting all of them.

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  Awakened07

  I'm going to step out of my usual role here for a moment, and say that you can go here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.html and enter your favorite passages, then try out the various translations from the drop-down menu and pick the one you think delivers the passage in the best manner.

  If I still believed in the Bible, I imagine I would also have liked the version snowbird constantly refers to, the Message Bible. It is very modern in it's language and phrasing, perhaps a little too much so, and personally it seems to me to have somewhat of an evangelical agenda, but as mentioned; I think I would have enjoyed it back when I still believed.