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  "Fair Marie Leonard" ... from Florida...

  by Tallyman in

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  since there are so many posters here on the forum these days,.

  with all kinds of connections and past and present ties with the.

  watchtower... and people who know people who know people.... i was wondering if anyone knew fair marie leonard?.

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  FreePeace

  You Wish!!!

  FreePeace
  "The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
  TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
  Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
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  "Fair Marie Leonard" ... from Florida...

  by Tallyman in

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  since there are so many posters here on the forum these days,.

  with all kinds of connections and past and present ties with the.

  watchtower... and people who know people who know people.... i was wondering if anyone knew fair marie leonard?.

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  FreePeace

  Hey Six!!!

  That's Doug "Kelley" !!!

  FreePeace
  "The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
  TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
  Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
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  ATTENTION Dad's & others on the Radio

  by VeniceIT in

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  i wake up today to hear that there's a group of exjw's that have been interviewed on a sydicated radio program this morning.

  dad's back on hold to be invertviewed again.

  it's kgo 8.10 san fransisco i'll see if i can find a link or something.

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  FreePeace

  Just heard Bill Bowen. He did a good job too.

  Don't you just hate it when you get cut off?!

  FreePeace
  "The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
  TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
  Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
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  ATTENTION Dad's & others on the Radio

  by VeniceIT in

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  i wake up today to hear that there's a group of exjw's that have been interviewed on a sydicated radio program this morning.

  dad's back on hold to be invertviewed again.

  it's kgo 8.10 san fransisco i'll see if i can find a link or something.

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  FreePeace

  Ven,

  Tell your dad he did a good job!

  Doug

  FreePeace
  "The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
  TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
  Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
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  Afghan girl from National Geographic cover found

  by razorMind in

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  .....does anyone remember the "girl with the green eyes" on that national geographic cover (taken in 1984)?

  they've found and identified her, after 17 years.

  i thought it was pretty interesting, anyway.

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  FreePeace

  LB,

  Nat'l Geographic website says she is somewhere between 28 and 30 years old now, no one knows for sure--even her. That puts her age at the first picture somewhere between 11 & 13, give or take.

  Amazing story. I'm going to watch the special this weekend.

  FreePeace
  "The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
  TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
  Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
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  Dont blame the witnesses, its the Bible...

  by sleepy in

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  dont blame the witnesses, its the bible's fault.. well you can blame them for trying to stick to the thing, but belief in the bible is the main problem.. i've heard the gb and witnesses be called evil by some, as though they have gone out to hurt people on purpose.. but i doubt that this is true, at least in recent times.. no the problem comes from believing the bible is god's word and trying to interpret it and follow it.. what happens when you do so?.

  you get the catholic inquisition,people burnt at the stake,you get jews fighting for a promised land, religious groups who let their children die and a host of other problems.. i ask a question.if you were god and were going to have a book written on how man should live, would you do it in such a way that if misinterpeted or taken too literaly or mistranslated slightly , could result in the death and suffering of thousands of people,and would enslave people to false religious beliefs?.

  yes there are good points and principles in the bible, mainly the words of jesus, who didn't write any of it himself.. but a few good principles don,t outweight the bad done in the name of the bible through the past 2000 years.. the society has tried to follow the bible, and take it for real .in doing so they have had to take on beliefs and ideas that can ultimatly cause harm.. it is like me reading a instruction manuel for my car, that is a fake written by a non-expert.if i follow that manuel , although it may not be all wrong, some instuctions could be in error and cause damage to my car and risk injury to other people.. if people then come along after and say "well its not the manuel thats wrong , you've just misunderstood it , look if you do it this way,that way..".

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  sleepy,

  Good post. You made some very logical arguments. Of course not everyone agrees, which is fine. Don't let You Know's comments bother you. I personally believe that the Bible and the "God concept" as most people understands it, is the cause of much human suffering and exploitation.

  Keep up the good job of thinking for yourself!

  FreePeace
  "The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
  TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
  Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
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  KELLEY ATTACKS TALLYMAN! SCHTHANKS!!!

  by Tallyman in

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  whael, i doo declan!..

  i mean, declare!.

  someone done launched a personal attack on li'l ol' me.. someone done named "kelley"... hmm, now where have i seen that name?.

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  Tallyman,

  This is one of those times that I’m damned if I do, and damned if I don’t (gee, sounds like the last thread!). I know it doesn’t matter what I say, you will think I’m lying, but I’m not.

  I’ve got to tell you that this is a bit shocking. I read your post and couldn’t figure out what it the world you were talking about. I read Declan’s post yesterday, and just figured it was one of the many people who have benefited from my book and decided to give me some support. I declined to post a thank you, because I just wanted to let the thread die.

  But I honestly had no idea who “Declan” was and didn’t think to check the profile…until I read this thread. I just found out that it was my 15 year old son! Wow!

  Now I have to also say that Michael is a good natured and sensitive guy. He doesn’t swear as a rule. I told him about our previous “thread war,” and he apparently read it through. Last night, he had trouble sleeping, and got angry over your hate-filled attacks on me, and decided to tell you a thing or two.

  And man, did he nail you! In an incredibly well-written and succinct post, he pretty much summed up the situation. And he’s 15 years old! Wow, am I impressed!

  Now here’s the kicker: If you think that I would be stupid enough to put my name in the profile to “anonymously attack you,” then think again! I don’t need to pretend. I’ve dressed people down before on this board with my own name. Why would I change it now?

  I just have decided to quit behaving like you, and that is exactly why I have not spewed forth the hate that you have.

  Any rate, you have had your say far too many times. I have listened to the same rants and raves by you over and over again.

  I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. Therefore, I am done with this matter. I will not be visiting this thread again. So say what you want; have your bitch session. I won’t see it. Furthermore, I won’t be responding to anything else you may say on any other thread either. If you had something worthwhile to say, maybe I’d listen. But you are beyond reason.

  BTW, you have promoted my book far more than I could have ever hoped to! Thanks again!

  Tally Ho Tallyman!

  Farkel,

  I am really wondering what you meant by your post. I was also unclear what you meant by your post on the other thread as well. But I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt based on our long friendship. You know me, and I hope you know better than to buy into what Tallyman is saying. Our past goes way too far back to damage it now. E-mail me sometime.

  Doug

  FreePeace
  "The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
  TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
  Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
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  info for lurkers...like me

  by Axelspeed in

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  just wanted to say this since i have no where else at the moment to vent at the moment and for lurkers...also, it might be timely since coc has been under discussion in a few threads lately.

  i am doing research and taking it slowly right now.

  i know lot's have been helped by coc, even me, as it put a lot of things into perspective.

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  FreePeace

  Hi Axelspeed,

  I was helped too by COC. I think your advice is good!

  BTW, did you post as "Axel" on H2O?

  FreePeace
  "The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
  TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
  Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
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  The UN, Pedophiles, and Faulty JW Arguments

  by FreePeace in

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  here is a response i sent to a recently df'd jw over the un issue.

  this person has not been deterred though, they are still clinging to the borganization as god's.

  i have been corresponding somewhat with them, and i just had to reply to the last email i got.. i think this letter may be good for someone just teetering on the edge of jwdom.. http://www.geocities.com/freepeace2000/letter.htm.

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  FreePeace

  Dana and Fark,

  Thank you!!! I appreciate your comments.

  sunscapes,

  You asked:

  Can you answer this question? It's a good one. I've always bought the Universal Big Picture argument myself. The father/wayward child illustration was a good one. What OTHER possible explanations are there? Anyone?

  Your question is also a good one. Humans have been asking the Big Picture questions since the beginning (whenever that was).

  Unfortunately, in my opinion, these questions are unanswerable. We simply do not know where God is, and why He doesn't seem to care about humanity.

  Personally, I cannot reconcile the concept of a loving Creator with the suffering of humanity. That is why I am Agnostic--I just don't know. I want to know, but the data is not yet available.

  So I wish I could answer your question about my questions. The reason that I wrote the letter the way I did was out of respect for this person's beliefs. I did not want to unnecessarily offend them by telling them that I no longer believe in Jehovah as the Almighty. They must come to that or another conclusion on their own.

  Good luck with your own journey!

  FreePeace
  "The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
  TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
  Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
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  The UN, Pedophiles, and Faulty JW Arguments

  by FreePeace in

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  here is a response i sent to a recently df'd jw over the un issue.

  this person has not been deterred though, they are still clinging to the borganization as god's.

  i have been corresponding somewhat with them, and i just had to reply to the last email i got.. i think this letter may be good for someone just teetering on the edge of jwdom.. http://www.geocities.com/freepeace2000/letter.htm.

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  Dung,

  I have no earthly idea what you are talking about. The points I made are points that troubled me in the past. I simply thought that perhaps others with similar questions might benefit. You must remember too that this letter addressed things that this person brought up, so those points were relevant to them.

  I'm sorry I can't add you to my Shit List, because I don't really have one.

  I respect your right to agree or disagree with me or my writings.

  BTW, where are your writings? I would be interested to read them. I am always looking for other perspectives that might refine and improve my own.

  All my best to you!

  Doug

  FreePeace
  "The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
  TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
  Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS