those who have not yet relinquished their right to think for themselves should be virtually certain that the story of noah and the ark is a fable.
those who believe the bible's stories are literally true find it almost impossible to address with a straight face the problems presented below.. then the flood came which destroyed every living thing which was not in the ark: "and every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
" (genesis 7:23).
I have come to know that the Flood story is a crock. One thing that occured to me awhile back is, "What about drinking water?" How in the world would Noah have stored enough drinking water for his family and all the animals? Not to mention keeping it fresh.
There is simply no way. Just one more of the many, many logistical problems with the story.
as we all know the watchtower society was founded in late 1800 and russell bought his chronology from the adventist barbour which had the beginning of the last days in 1799, - jesus parousia in 1874 and his crowning in 1878 and the definite end in 1914.. as we know russell died in 1916 having lived long enough to watch all this insane drivel utterly fail.
the next president rutherford, didnt fare any better, he immediately came up with new dates, like 1918, 1919, 1920 and 1925, which of course also proved to be a complete fiasco.
just before he died he had a stab at 1941, but that was of course as usual also a failure.
Hey Norm,
Thanks for the great points.
The Watchtower organization was yelling about the “end” right through the beginning of the new millennium 1899 – 1900 and continuing with this same mindless drivel for 100 years. Have they learned anything at all from over 100 years of spouting complete nonsense?
There is nothing like summing it up. I wish somehow I could get this point into the heads of some of my relatives, namely,
"What was the Organization saying in 1899? Yes, the end is coming soon. What was the Organization saying in 1999? Yes, the end is coming soon."
This is amazing when you think about it. Well over 100 years of saying the end is coming soon, and... NOTHING.
I wish so damn bad my family and friends would see this... so damn bad.
the history of the watchtower organization is kept secret from new members and its own history is proof that the god of the bible would not accept these false prophets and false doctrines in his church body.. the founder of the jehova witness was named charles russell from pa. russell stated that in 1799 the end times started and that in 1874 christ invisibly returned to earth to rule.
russells prophecy was that in 1914 the world would come to an end.
russell changed that date to 1915 and later to 1918. russell claimed that only his published books could allow people to correctly understand the bible.
Donny,
It is commendable that you are trying to enlighten JW's and others about the WTS, but:
1. Obviously you never were a JW;
2. You are preaching to the choir (and a whole lotta' agnostics/atheists;
3.
Gods word the bible (King James version) clearly teaches God is a trinity and without Christ being accepted in place of your sins you will perish in Hell for no works can justify you to God. The only way to the father in heaven is through accepting Jesus Christ as the free gift from God in place of your sins.
Nothing personal, but you can tell your "God" to take His "free gift" and shove it up His Ass. Did I sin? Will I be going to Hell?
4. Thank you very much. Have a nice day.
i'm amazed if nobody suggested we do the are you a sex god/goddess?
test before.
look at http://www.emode.com/emode/tests/god_switch.jsp ,do the test, and try to be honest .
TRACY! WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU DOING TAKING THIS TEST?!!!
Don't you know you ARE a Goddess in every way? I love you babe!
Me.
BTW, here's mine:
Good Heavens! For Outstanding Bedroom Performance, you have been nominated Eros, the God of Love. Master of romance, you're every woman's dream lover.
Not "Every woman's dream lover," just one's.
Hey Radar,
Well then, who are you?Beats the hell outta' me!
I'm still working on it. I am working on an essay of sorts called "Existential Manifesto: Are you looking for the meaning of life in the wrong place?"
I have wanted to post what I have so far, but haven't because I wanted to explore my thoughts further. I will post it soon on its own thread, tho.
Keep looking Radar. We will find ourselves sooner or later, and be better people for it.
As always, all my best to you.
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
Hey Radar,
I wondered the same thing awhile back. Still do occasionally. Did you read my article "Who Am I?" It's on my website, link below. Don't know if it will help any.
FP
(Message on voice mail: "Out to find myself...be back soon")
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
...no longer feeling the dread of being approved by man (wtbts), only jesus.... (keep it going!
*smile*)
Expat and SaintSatan:
LOL! I love it!
several people have asked me about walter salter's letter menntioning smuggling cases of liquor for grudge rutherford.
i doubt that a letter more damning for da judge than this one could ever have been written:.
box no.
Hi Norm,
Thank you for your excellent articles and research concerning W.F. Salter. They really shed a much broader light on the whole manner.
Perhaps you felt that I was a "doubter" concerning the letter. Actually, I have no reason to doubt its authenticity. You have no idea the impact of this letter on me. It has reminded me of just how corrupt the Society is from the inside out.
You must understand that I, like everyone else, have spent a lifetime accepting "stuff" from the bORG without question. I don't do that anymore. I would like to see the original letter. This letter is an important piece of evidence against Rutherford, as well as the Society.
Do you know where I can find the orignal letter?
Thanks,
several people have asked me about walter salter's letter menntioning smuggling cases of liquor for grudge rutherford.
i doubt that a letter more damning for da judge than this one could ever have been written:.
box no.
Hey Fark,
Can you tell me a little about the authenticity of this letter? I am not doubting you, just want to know where it came from, and how sure you are of its legitimacy.
Thanks
yes it has always put a question in my mind.
why the two different classes?
jesus did not teach two different classes of belivers.
Hi Eph6,
Your statement is a little unsettling to me. Even the JW's know that Jesus is a real person and took part in history for real. What has lead you to such drastic conclusions?
I'm sorry if what I said is unsettling to you. Frankly, it was unsettling to me too at one time.
If you have been lurking here at all, you will realize that many of us ex-JW's are now Agnostics or Atheists. We have definite reasons for our change of beliefs.
Before you worry about the 144k or other Bible dilemmas, I would suggest you read "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine. You can find a link at my website below.
Farkel told me about this 200 year-old book a couple of years ago. It changed my entire belief system about the Bible.
Also, don't let any of us scare you away. Some of us can get quite passionate about things at times, me included.
Please be open minded about things. Anyone who pushes a belief system that is unprovable is usu-ally ripped to shreds on this board.
FARKEL:
Lighten up a little, this is Eph's first post. Give 'em a chance to grow and learn!
