this got me to thinking.... now that most of us have left the wts, i notice some have taken other belief systems.
some have come to a peace with their own ideas.. my question is are you involved with another religion?
has it brought you more peace or happiness?
I'm with riz too.
BTW, "spirituality" does not equal "religion." They are two distinctly different things.
FreePeace
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okay fess up: whats your handle mean?.
my handle: mindchild comes from computer scientist and futurist dr. hans moravec: who wrote the book, the future of robot and human intelligence which is a book about when we will be able to construct machines capable of human intelligence and raises the possibility of uploading ourselves (every thought we ever had) into an android body much superior to the human ones we have now.
i entertain the hope that not only will i live long enough to see this happen, i will transfer myself (the complete essence of what is me) into a body of my own choosing and become immortal if i so choose.
Three years ago, I left my alcoholic wife and the troof at about the same time. I had lived for 40 years in alcoholic relationships (my mom and ex-wife) and never knew any peace in my home or my life.
When I left, it was in great measure to find peace. I have since married Tracy (Think41Self), trashed all the religious stuff, and finally have peace at last.
Since my peace is unencumbered by religious nonsense, it is free. Hence, FreePeace.
I have posted my name many times on the board, but did not want to do so in the beginning because of the partial relationship I've maintained with my parents. It is not as critical now, and I hope very much that perhaps some who I used to know and have left the bORG will recognize and contact me.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Doug Kelley
FreePeace
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... http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html.
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ChuckD: The link doesn't seem to work.
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I always took this to mean that we only use 10% of our brains potential, not 10% of our brain matter.
FreePeace
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what precisely are the instructions that are given to assembly or convention speakers about the manner in which they are to deliver their talks, especially the manuscript ones?.
the reason i ask is that i was always irked by the strident, hectoring tone of the speakers at these events.. you'd have brother mild-mannered from your home congregation on the platform, someone you knew gave talks at the kingdom hall in a (relatively) low-key "i'm a normal person" voice, but get him up there at the doers of god's divine godly fear kingdom district convention and he'd be snapping out those long boring rhetorical questions and thrashing his hands around like some dictator wannabe.. it made me think that if you wanted to turn people on to the organization, the district convention sure wasn't the place to start.. comment
One hardly qualifies for such an exalted privilege unless he is a petty demagogue, has some distinctive affectation, penchant for hyperbole, grandeloquence or eccentricity. In short, a no-life ham who thrives on milking applause from a compliant audience.
While the above comments certainly apply to some convention speakers, they do not apply to all.
Some of us really cared about making a difference. Some of us were really very good public speakers who did not change our speaking style to accomodate some CO/DO.
I was a convention speaker, and I do not consider the above words as applicable in my case. I did not do it for the glory, nor the applause. I did it because I love speaking (unlike most people). I did it because I wanted to make a difference.
I still want to make a difference. That's why I am no longer a Dub. Now I can make a difference in a way that really counts.
FreePeace
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if it is possible can you post why you were disfellowshipped?
Who has been DF'd?
None of your god damned business.
Let us know when you’re DF'd and maybe we’ll talk.
FreePeace
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i wonder if harmagedon will ever come or if it is only a synonym for something other than jehovahs whitnesses believe.. please answer me in easy english because im not englishman and my english is not very good.. thank you.
will harmagedon ever come ?
No.
Go out and live your life to the full; enjoy life; give back to the world; be happy.
FreePeace
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i frequently read on this board that somebody has 'been a jw for over 25 years' and then learn that they are in fact 25 years and three days old.. i am very easily confused, in fact i actually got inside a car of similar color to my own recently and spent at least five minutes with a furrowed brow trying to force my car key into its ignition, fortunately, i realised my error before i was arrested.
so, just to humor me, can you all post how long you were/are baptised jw's?.
thank you -- hs.
I was a 4th generation Dub.
Born in February 1959 (almost born in Japan, folks were missionaries there).
Baptized on July 4th, 1974 at 15 years old.
MS in 1981 at 21 years old.
Elder in 1992.
Resigned in 1999.
Last time in a KH Memorial 1999. Never going back.
Had talks on the District Convention last 3 years of being an elder.
Seperated from and divorced my alcoholic wife in 1999.
DF'd in August 1999. I spent 40 years as a Dub.
Married Tracy (Think41Self) in December 1999.
Been happy ever since.
Now have plans to get my degrees and really live life to the full as well as give back to the world.
FreePeace
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http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18631&site=3.
the "christian longo" drama has been on television and in the newspapers now for about a week, and will stay in the headlines until he is captured.. the xjw community ****now**** has a good opportunity to communicate with reporters to explain that jw shunning may very well have been the driving force behind longo's downhill slid which finally climaxed in an act of mass-murder.. per the news articles, longo's initial problems appear to have been "financial".
such problems could have been dealt with if longo's parent's would simply have offered and provided financial assistance.
Yeah, yeah, brainwashed...whatever. The same line over and over again. Can't you come up with something original?
Yes I can. How about "Mind-Fucked" because that's exactly what it is. However, it can be overcome.
FreePeace
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in the uk you never hear words such as:.
railroad.
mortician.
How about:
Apartment / Flat
Is a Flat just an apartment, or does it refer to a house too?
FreePeace
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i received this letter from my mother over the weekend, it came with a card and a special note to my children.
i plan to let them read it someday, not today..... silentlambs.
december 20,2001 .
Larc,
I appreciate where you are coming from, and have given this matter considerable thought prior to this thread.
It's not about Bill's parents so much as it is about the message he sends by sending the letter. It's about the message to his own kids that, while his kids may not always agree with their parents, they are free to express their disagreements and find a mutually acceptable ground to continue their relationship.
Obviously, it is up to Bill as to what he does. I do agree that there are times when backing down is prudent. Only Bill can decide if this is one of them.
Their relationship is already strained, perhaps beyond repair due his parent's position.
I have refrained in sending letters to my own parents for exactly the reasons you cite. However, I have done so when it comes to standing up for my values and principles.
JW's seem to have every right to express their venom, and we often do not stand up out of regard for their ignorance. Again, they are adults. If they offer such words as Bill's parents have, they must be willing to hear the other side.
It takes two to make a relationship. If Bill is the only one giving, then it will not last. If Bill is always taking the "blows" and adjusting for them, that is codependent. It is not healthy and will not last.
Again, I appreciate and respect what you are saying. This is a tricky issue, and one that may be different for different people and situations.
All my best,
Doug
FreePeace
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