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Ignorant Judgemental CO's and DO's

by Scully in

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badwillie wrote the following experience about an ignorant comment from a do:.

case in point:.

a friend received a full scholarship from a local college to study to become a veternarian.

FreePeace

I have to relate another incident concerning Jack "Daniels" Danley. There was a sister who was not very active previously, but started to become more active when her boyfriend started studying.

Well, apparently she was fooling around, and the elder body appointed 3 elders to deal with it. Even before the judicial committee met with her, good old Jack said to me and another elder in his deep barreling emphatic voice, "She is a wicked woman, and needs to be cleaned out of God's organization." In fact, she wasn't all that.

He had already done the job of Judge, Jury, and Executioner all by "his self."

FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
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Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS

58

Ignorant Judgemental CO's and DO's

by Scully in

jw
friends

badwillie wrote the following experience about an ignorant comment from a do:.

case in point:.

a friend received a full scholarship from a local college to study to become a veternarian.

FreePeace

Hey Quotes,

I know Jack Danley. When he "retired" as a CO, he came here to Florida, and served as an elder on my body. What a guy. In fact, I just saw him about 2 weeks ago at a restaurant. He kept looking at me trying to figure out if it was me (I have a beard now). I hadn't seen him in about 3 years. I just ignored him.

He was not real fond of me. I had to take him to task several times over not being kind and loving to the "brothers."

I was truly amazed at him. For being a CO for so long, he didn't know squat about "theocratic procedure." And here I was, much younger than him, and an elder for seven years (compared to his many years), and I had to "counsel" him for being overly judgmental and unkind.

Well, I can tell you that my "counsel" (as kind as it was) went over like a fart in Sunday school with him. He did not like a younger man counseling him at all.

Another time, we were in an elder's meeting, and he wanted to give a local needs talk in response to a young brother's actions. He wanted to mention this brother's name from the platform, which is a big legal no-no, straight from the GB. I don't remember specifically what this young brother did, but it was not serious in any way. Of course, I objected strongly, but kindly, stating that the Society had directed elders to never mention a person by name, except for DF'ing and DA'ing. So they didn't do it.

Again, it amazed me that someone of his "training" and position didn't know this basic rule, let alone knowing how cold and judgmental this would be to the person affected.

I found so much incompetence and lack of loving kindness among the older elders here in Florida that it seemed like I was constantly objecting to something they wanted to do, but was not right.

I am extremely happy to be gone, and I'm sure that they're happy I'm gone too. Now they can do their stupid stuff without any objections.

FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS

18

OK, Winter Sucks

by LB in

here is a pic of my house last summer, you remember summer right?.

how here is a pic of my house today, nuff said.... .

never squat with yer spurs on

FreePeace

Hey LB,

I grew up in Denver, and lived in the Black Hills of South Dakota for many years. I got fed up with winter.

Then I heard it didn't snow or get cold in Florida, so I moved here...and they were right! Well, except about the cold. Now when it gets to around 50 degrees, I freeze my rear off!

What state do you live in?

FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS

9

The Battle for Your Mind

by FreePeace in

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here is an interesting article i came across.

although it does not mention jw's, it does mention some interesting correlations.

the link is http://www.sutphenpublishing.com/articles/battle.htm .

FreePeace

CPiolo,

The past life regression, palmistry, astrology and other new age stuff made me leary.

I know what you mean, I had the same knee-jerk reaction. But I chocked it up to my JW programming, and quickly discarded it. If I decide that I don't believe in reincarnation and other occult things, I want it to be my decision, not the WTS's.

I will check out the link. Thanks, sounds interesting.

FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS

9

The Battle for Your Mind

by FreePeace in

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friends

here is an interesting article i came across.

although it does not mention jw's, it does mention some interesting correlations.

the link is http://www.sutphenpublishing.com/articles/battle.htm .

FreePeace

Hey Circe!!!

Great to hear from you!

I've had the beard about 6 months now. I had never had a beard before, so I "tried one on" and still have it. Tracy won't let me shave it off. Kind of funny, because she said she really didn't like beards before. I like it too. I had one gal in a restaurant ask me if I was a psychologist! So I guess I look the part anyway.

I'm game for some philosophizing if you are. Got any good topics? How about the one you raised a couple of years ago on H20 (if you still have it)? I think I have it somewhere, I'll take a look.

Talk to you soon and tell Felix hello!

CPiolo,

What you said seems to be right on. Sutphen apparently has quite a background in persuasion techniques. But I noticed in his article above, that he is insistent on telling people before hand what he is doing, and then getting their agreement.

Take care.

FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS

9

The Battle for Your Mind

by FreePeace in

jw
friends

here is an interesting article i came across.

although it does not mention jw's, it does mention some interesting correlations.

the link is http://www.sutphenpublishing.com/articles/battle.htm .

FreePeace

CPiolo,

I know Sutphen's site may take a little getting used to, especially in light of our previous JW mindsets. But I'm open to New Age concepts and ideas.

I don't necessarily believe in reincarnation, but who the hell really knows? So far, I don't have strong feelings against these concepts. I guess I'm willing to at least investigate these ideas until such time as I find a reason to not believe it. At least that's my take on it.

AlanF,

I just found this article this morning, and as far as I know, it is not a book. It appears to be an expanded version of a talk he gave in the mid-80's. There are a number of websites that it is found on, each with a slightly different version.

I read the first 2 chapters in his book, "Reinventing Yourself," (found on the website) and think I'll buy the book.

Anyway, glad you liked it.

Doug

FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS

9

The Battle for Your Mind

by FreePeace in

jw
friends

here is an interesting article i came across.

although it does not mention jw's, it does mention some interesting correlations.

the link is http://www.sutphenpublishing.com/articles/battle.htm .

FreePeace

Here is an interesting article I came across. Although it does not mention JW's, it does mention some interesting correlations.

The link is http://www.sutphenpublishing.com/articles/battle.htm .

Here is the Table of Contents:

* The Birth of Conversion / Brainwashing in Christian Revivalism in 1735
* The Pavlovian explanation of the three brain phases
* Born-Again preachers: Step-by-step how they conduct a revival and the expected physiological results
* The "voice roll" technique used by preachers, lawyers and hypnotists
* New trance-inducing churches
* The six steps to conversion
* The decognition process
* Thought-stopping techniques
* The "sell it by zealot" technique
* True believers and mass movements
* Persuasion techniques: "Yes set," "Imbedded Commands," "Shock and Confusion" and the "Interspersal Techniques," Subliminals
* Vibrato and ELF waves
* Inducing trance with vibrational sound
* Even professional observers will be "possessed" at charismatic gatherings
* The "only hope" technique to attend and not be converted
* Non-detectable Neurophone programming through the skin
* The medium for mass take-over

FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS

3

A Good and Decent Elder?

by DakotaRed in

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i was wondering if any of the rest of you ever knkew an elder who you considered to be a good elder, one that was really into the bible more so than the watchtower and who actually took his eldership seriously enough to actually care about the flock more than himself?

i knew one.. he would spend all his spare time studying the bible and gave pretty good talks.

he was actually there any time someone needed him.

FreePeace

DR,

There are countless stories similar to the one you relate among elders and publishers.

It remains my belief that most elders are incompetent and inept. The truly good ones do not remain elders because they cannot put up with the bullshit politics that are rampant in Dubdom. This has been my experience in serving with many elders.

FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS

9

The Stockholm Syndrome & Silent Lambs

by FreePeace in

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last night, it struck me that stockholm syndrome has a lot to do with life in a cult.

i have started to research this connection, and found the following article at http://www.m-a-h.net/inkdroppings/sl-captivity.htm concerning child abuse including child sexual abuse.

i thought it was very interesting.. --------------.

FreePeace

NYT,

I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been in my introductory comments.

If you would have read the article, you would have discovered it has nothing to do with a cult.

I simply meant I found this article while doing research on cults and Stockholm Syndrome, and thought I would share it.

BTW, why are you posting here? Please send me your name and congregation and I will let your elder body know about your participation here in this forum. Then we'll see how long you continue to support the WTS. You must know if your elders knew you were posting here, they would invite you to a nice little meeting in the back room.

FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS

9

The Stockholm Syndrome & Silent Lambs

by FreePeace in

jw
friends

last night, it struck me that stockholm syndrome has a lot to do with life in a cult.

i have started to research this connection, and found the following article at http://www.m-a-h.net/inkdroppings/sl-captivity.htm concerning child abuse including child sexual abuse.

i thought it was very interesting.. --------------.

FreePeace

NYTelecom,

The above article (as waiting brought out) does not address the Stockholm Syndrome and cults. It was simply an interesting article I found while doing research (gee, I thought I pointed that out).

Wait until I write the cult article before you start bitching. Thank you.

JT,

I agree with you...I like the term "High Control Group" better than "cult."

waiting,

Great comments. Thanks.

FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS