Posts by wherehasmyhairgone

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"Making a case for 'intelligent design'"

by inkling in

the following guest editoral ran in a mainstream fairly liberal city newspaper:.

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wherehasmyhairgone

Blackboo

You answered your own question in your last reply.

God I hope your an atheist, other wise it is a dark future for Texas

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"Making a case for 'intelligent design'"

by inkling in

the following guest editoral ran in a mainstream fairly liberal city newspaper:.

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wherehasmyhairgone

Blackboo,

This has to be a joke, I am worried i am losing my sense of humour not to spot this outright, but your comments are tilting over the balance in exaggerated parody now .

By the way on the OP posting, that was an interesting article. It amazes me how IR is still brought up, I thought the Dover trial had dispensed with the non-scientific view of ID and its baby IR.

Apparently this writer has never heard of a God believing scientist called Dr K. Miller, who showed, the VOLUMES on how the Bacterial flagellum did indeed evolved from other part, and be shown that the system can work well well missing nearly all of its major parts.

The ignorance of this article is astounding!

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Science and the bible

by wherehasmyhairgone in

i read an interesting point the other day, but can not for the life of me remember where!..

but the idea and statement is why creationist or anyone uses uses science to 'prove bible' events.

the reasoning went like this.... by taking science evidence and trying to apply to to a biblical events you are in effecting stating that you value the opinion of science rather than the bible.. if the bible is the word of god, then why every try and marry up what science says about biblical events.. if you need to science to justify what went on in the bible thur archaeology proof or scientific eveidnence, the you do not accept the bible as the ultimate authority, as you are using 'mans' authority to try and validate word gods.. i thought i was an interesting point.. .

wherehasmyhairgone

I read an interesting point the other day, but can not for the life of me remember where!.

But the idea and statement is why creationist or anyone uses uses science to 'prove bible' events. the reasoning went like this...

By taking science evidence and trying to apply to to a biblical events you are in effecting stating that you value the opinion of science rather than the bible.

If the Bible is the word of God, then why every try and marry up what science says about biblical events.

If you need to science to justify what went on in the bible Thur archaeology proof or scientific eveidnence, the you do not accept the bible as the ultimate authority, as you are using 'mans' authority to try and validate word gods.

I thought i was an interesting point.

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Scans of Watchtower books at Google books and Archive.org

by bereanbiblestudent in

the following editions of watchtower books can be found and downloaded at books.google.com and archive.org .

this is what i found, but sometimes its hard to find them because they are not well indexed.

hope you don't mind the edit - lee.

wherehasmyhairgone

i don't know if your using FireFox, but when i use FireFox to reply all the formatting goes!

try using explorer is that is the case

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To all those who support Evolution EXPLAIN this....

by Blackboo in

think about this and close your eyes...think about what it is to have no existence for all existence..and nothing for all existence...notice how u cannot have both at the same time lol!

that is crazy!

that means if there was nothing for all existence..then it has to remain that way..and even if some particles or energy exploded to give life to earth and the planets..it still does not make sense to believe that a explosion can design humans or animals...thats just like saying i am gonna get a another house out of a explosion!

wherehasmyhairgone

Could it be that that the energy originates with GOD??? Since he is Eternal?? Thats the only explanation. And what does matter and energy have to do with creating humans and animals on THERE OWN?? LOL.

Your first 2 statement are statements of opinions and have no factual evidence backing them up.

Could it be that that the energy originates with GOD???

- Why did they have to originate? again you are forming an opinion which isn't based on available evidence that the natural state is nothing ness, so then YOU need to god to invent it.

Since he is Eternal

Again a personal opinion with no factual evidence at all.

Thats the only explanation

Again a statement based on personal opinion showing a complete lack of knowledge to available evidence.

But you did indeed save the best for last

And what does matter and energy have to do with creating humans and animals on THERE OWN?? LOL.

Hmmm everything, Matter and energy is no us. The problem is that you original posts, clearly shown you havn't the slightest grasp on how science relates to us, and what available evidence there is . This has to rank as one of the dumbest creation claims i have ever heard.

If you want to challenge evolution and believe me, far more informed people have tried, then read up and study the field before making statements that amplify your own misunderstanding. What does Energy/Matter have to do with evolution ..LMAO

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To all those who support Evolution EXPLAIN this....

by Blackboo in

think about this and close your eyes...think about what it is to have no existence for all existence..and nothing for all existence...notice how u cannot have both at the same time lol!

that is crazy!

that means if there was nothing for all existence..then it has to remain that way..and even if some particles or energy exploded to give life to earth and the planets..it still does not make sense to believe that a explosion can design humans or animals...thats just like saying i am gonna get a another house out of a explosion!

wherehasmyhairgone

You assume that nothing is the natural state. Which of course is non-scientific as there is no evidence for that!.

As matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed, that non-existence i.e nothing as you put it, is not a scientific view point, or possible.

You opening posts shows (with all due repsect) a complete lack of understanding on most things including evolution. Belive me our 'it makes sense to me ' viewpoint is a very misleading in general, .

If you are going to argue about evolution please do your home work and understand what you are arguing about first.

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YOUTUBERs help??!!

by middleman in

hey yall i need help with putting some videos up on youtube.

i timed my video and it was 9 minutes but when i tried to upload, it said that i exceeded the mpeg amount.

does anyone know what i'm doing wrong?

wherehasmyhairgone

why not use google video, the quality is better and if you download their desktop downloader, you can upload large video files .

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NOah's flood - free choice etc, Need some counter answers

by wherehasmyhairgone in

although i don't believe any more, noah's ark was always my favourite story (sick really!

) anyway.... i want some counter argument to this problem i see with the story.

gods words, ..he is going to bring a flood to get rid of all the wicked people.. god gave noah dimension for the ark.. so before noah built the ark, god already knew that no one but noah and crew would survive.

wherehasmyhairgone

I am afraid to say, the flood account as described in the bible did not happen. It was simply not possible.

I agree 100% It was one of the things that conveince me of the myth status of this story. However My point was to thrash out the 'choice' question with the flood.

As the flood is such a major event in the bible it stands to reason to ask ..why, and my old JW thinking hat, couldn't come up with an answer to this, hence the posting.

I guess what is forming as the main issue is that it sorted nothing, and 'he' (god) must have known that. So his reason for doing it was pointless.

Failing this I might well attend the local JW meeting and wait to be asked afterwards about attending then hit them with the question.

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NOah's flood - free choice etc, Need some counter answers

by wherehasmyhairgone in

although i don't believe any more, noah's ark was always my favourite story (sick really!

) anyway.... i want some counter argument to this problem i see with the story.

gods words, ..he is going to bring a flood to get rid of all the wicked people.. god gave noah dimension for the ark.. so before noah built the ark, god already knew that no one but noah and crew would survive.

wherehasmyhairgone

I actually thought about the building of extra boats , i wish i had put that into the original post... but....

If other had built boats it still doesn't get away from the fact that god not only knew he was going to bring a flood, but also the plan has going to fail, as wickedness was everywhere again with a few hundred year.

See if God had left us to our devices after Eden, then one could argue maybe a free choice plan, but the fact he interfered, shows me one of 2 things

1) either God doesnt know the future and isn't all powerful

2) does know the future and our paths, which makes serving God and this life meaningless, as the choice is already known. So who's benefit is living pre -armageddon for...certainly not us, he could just allow to be born those who he knew would choose his way. and Satan couldn't argue that as God could merely show him what would happen....like he did with showing him his demise.

So on the flood issue, the flood accomplished nothing, and in fact did more harm than good if you believe it. Th eproblem is God stated his plan for the flood, and if his plans are perfect, then the flood shoul dhave sorted it out and it didn't.

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NOah's flood - free choice etc, Need some counter answers

by wherehasmyhairgone in

although i don't believe any more, noah's ark was always my favourite story (sick really!

) anyway.... i want some counter argument to this problem i see with the story.

gods words, ..he is going to bring a flood to get rid of all the wicked people.. god gave noah dimension for the ark.. so before noah built the ark, god already knew that no one but noah and crew would survive.

wherehasmyhairgone

Although i don't believe any more, Noah's ark was always my favourite story (sick really!) anyway...

I want some counter argument to this problem i see with the story

Gods words, ..he is going to bring a flood to get rid of all the wicked people.

God gave Noah dimension for the ark.

So before Noah built the ark, God already knew that no one but Noah and crew would survive. So we come into a free will issue, as there wasn't enough room on the ark for say 2000 people plus the animals.

OK so , before Noah time generation were born God knew they were going to die in the flood, so instead of them not being born, he allowed them to be born knowing full well that were going to be killed.

Next problem, God brought the flood to destroy wicked mankind... Noah and kin left... 120 years Bad people everywhere again and he uses Babel this time...

So.... Before the flood God knew only Noah was going to be save, and that his Plan to rid the world of wicked mankind, was going to fail, as just 120 odd year after the flood he has the babel problem.

So for one minute lets say somehow we have free will... But God know what we are going to do ahead of time as he lives outside of time...i know HUGE leaps of assumptions here.

Then the garden of Eden was point less as he already knew

The flood was pointless as he knew it wouldn't help matters

all the killing to establish Israel as a nation was pointless as he knew they would reject him anyway.

IN fact Armageddon is the thing he knew we has going to need to do before he even started,.. now if you say ahh well God is giving us a free choice, is he already knows the outcome, then who's benefit is it to live under him? he know our action before we are born...

So all the killing in the OT is of no point. and the flood was a wasted expertise. I don't see the point of the flood every happening.

I am not looking for a argument, but i am interested in responses as to the point of the OT if it were real. I always try and thin like a JW when pondering these things, but these i got really stuck on, so hopefully you guys can help out. I just can't see the why it happened, as God clearly stated his purpose,, so the old line of We don't always understand God plan, isn't relevant here.