Posts by tula

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Australia Bethel Sister suicide due to health problems is this justified??

by Witness 007 in

bethel = about 4 years ago a former pioneer / bethel sisiter and husband had to leave due to bad health and move to the suburbs.

some time ago while working on some "worldly" job some shelves hit her in the back causing server injury.

she suffered with her pain till she could not stand it any more.

tula

When our animals are terminally ill and suffer, we are told that "euthanesia is the last act of kindness" that we can do for them.

When our human loved ones are in the same position, sometimes I cannot help but think life and agony are prolonged due to the "industry" aspect of the medical profession and "industry" of law. I do believe we should all have that freedom of choice when it is a case of suffering IF WE HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL AVENUES OF HELP...if there is ABSOLUTELY NO HOPE of recovery. The dilemma here is...there are always cases against the odds that DO recover and there are meds like morphine to get you through the worst of it. So...it really is a tough call, but I believe that people should have the right to die with dignity.

http://www.normemma.com/arhemloc.htm excerpt below:

The Hemlock Society in the United States has been in existence for 17 years and has an estimated 25,000 members. It is the oldest organization of its kind on this continent and therefore deserves special attention in regard to just what its leaders have been advocating in regard to euthanasia - as it turns out, the words and actions of Hemlock leaders often indicate a more radical agenda than the public stance of the organization itself.)

Dori Zook, Hemlock Society public relations director, has claimed on this list that Hemlock supports legalization of physician- assisted death only in cases of terminal illness. And Hemlock's website asserts that the Society favors physician-assisted suicide strictly for someone "who is already in the dying process." But there is a glaring discrepancy between this official stance and what prominent members of Hemlock have said and done.

For example, there is this little gem from Hemlock co-founder Derek Humphry's book, Final Exit:

"What can those of us who sympathize with a justified suicide by a handicapped person do to help? When we have statutes on the books permitting lawful physician aid-in-dying for the terminally ill, I believe that along with this reform there will come a more tolerant attitude to the other exceptional cases."

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Who on this Board would love to get rid of Organized Religion?

by restrangled in

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imho....it all needs to go.

its influencing everything in this world every and anywhere.

from the saudies, to the people in irag, iran and anywhere else our sons will need to be sent.. our current president claims he is influenced along with the former prime minister of england by religious beliefs.. there is the huge evangelical influence that got bush and the mess he made who put them in to begin with.. we have the jw's causing absolute havic in anyone's lives connected with this stupidity.. it goes on and on and on.

tula

The Church of Google - Googlism - Proof Google is God!

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Greetings from a recovering mormon

by FormerMormon in

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greetings from the other side of the street,.

i just loved having you guys proselytizing on the other side of the street when we were tracting.

i am a recovering mormon with a believing spouse / family.

tula

Hi Former Mormon!

I read this awhile back and was wondering if you can tell me if it's true????

Maybe you could start another thread and discuss it for us if there is any truth to it. I find it pretty interesting and would like to know details.

Were you "high up" enough to know any of these secrets? Or do you just know this exists?

" A lot of the Mormon beliefs are not known by the lesser members of the Church. Only those in the highest positions are supposed to know all of the secrets of Joseph Smith and his founding of this religious sect. Smith made a lot of prophecies about the end of the world as we know it. He said that there would be a conflagration in the US and that the people worth saving would run to the mountains in Utah,Nev., Montanna, Wyoming and become one with the Mormon people. That would be what would save them from destruction. He prophesied that the next battle would be on our own shores, brother against brother as in the Civil War, State against State and City against City.
Smith also said that the Mormons would unite the world under one ruler. "

Is all of this a general belief?

I saw on news that a lot of Katrina victims who had been told they were being flown to Texas were instead diverted and flown to Utah. Do the Mormons see this as prophecy coming true that "people are flocking to Utah"? Other than the food banks they have always had, what are they doing as far as promoting propaganda about the end?

Thanks. Really curious and interested.

Tula.

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Pumpkins in the Kingdom Hall yard....now Christmas lights...you can too

by oompa in

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i have been a pretty serious practical joker my whole life....some say i am stuck in adolescence (i hope she is 17).

but anyway, right before halloween i took a couple of pumpkins too close to the road at a farmers place and put them in the kingdom hall front yard....i know i should have paid for them but no one was there.

it was sunday night, and was hoping maybe no one would notice till thursday meeting, but they were gone on wednesday.

tula

Ompa spraying the windows with snow = Vandalism. Which means you go to jail and get disfellowshiped for paganizing Jehovah's Temple. Also aren't there tresspassing laws in U.S.A? I'm starting a "Bail Ompa out of jail fund" I've put in $10 I hope we can get Johnny Cockran since he proved O.J didn't do it.

I hate to be the one to break this news to you, witness007, but Johnny Cochran is DAID. He's been daid since March 29, 2005 at the age of 67.

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Our grandfather died a week ago- guess why we didn't know.

by professor in

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my sister and i who are disfellowshipped have a jw elder as a father.

guess why mom and dad didn't tell us that our grandfather died a week ago?

thanks watchtower for denying us our grandfather's funeral.

tula

Professor,

I am so sorry that you have lost your grandfather and I am sooo mad about the mean cruel way that you learned of it.

Couldn't you maybe approach the newspaper to put together a little article about your grandfather's life and accomplishments and announce a memorial for him.....which you could arrange, and invite all his non-JW friends? The newspaper could post the info.

You could make the arrangements with a church of your choice and invite some of his friends to speak. Or if not a church...maybe announce a rememberence gathering at a private home? ( sort of like the way people used to have wakes) I'm sure you can think of some way to gather his friends and other family who may not have felt very comforted with a JW memorial and give your grandfather a proper send off with those who loved him. I think a gathering of your choosing would be a comfort to you as well as some of the others.

Sharing your sadness, Tula.

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Elders: Help for research about Reporting Child Molestation

by tooktheredpill in

if any of the people reading this is an elder too, please help me to do some research.. the only letter that i've found to all the bodies of elders about this matter is dated feb 15, 2002. in page 4, it has a section titled "reminders regarding the handling of cases involving child abuse".

it says mostly to "call the legal department for assistance".

it says that child abuse is a crime, but it doesn't specify that the authorities should be called.

tula

1906 Two of the key early Watchtower Society leaders were Bundy's. These were Walter H. Bundy, who went with Charles Taze Russell to Great Britain on his May 29-31, 1909 trip, and Edwin Bundy who worked at the Bethel Headquarters at the turn of the century and traveled around the U.S. for the Watchtower Society from 1906 to 1910.

1906 This testimony was given by Mrs. Russell on direct examination on Thursday, April 26, 1906 from a suit for a separation brought by Martha (sic) F. Russell against Charles Taze Russell, her husband, popularly known as Pastor Russell Then he said, "I am like a jellyfish. I float around here and there. I touch this one and that one, and if she responds I take her to me, and if not, I float on to others"; and she wrote that out so that I could remember it for sure when I would speak to him about it. And he confessed that he said those things. Founder of Jehovah's witnesses: CHARLES TAZE RUSSELL- CHILD MOLESTER!

From actual Brooklyn, New York, USA newspaper article about C.T.Russell, founder of Jehovah's Witnesses)

OCTOBER 29, 1911

GIRL KISSED PASTOR AND SAT ON HIS KNEE

But Mr. Russell at the Tabernacle: Only Submitted to it to be Kind.

MAY HAVE FELT HER PULSE

He Sometimes Ministered to the Sick, Locked in Another Girls Room Innocently.

(Special to The Eagle)

Illuminati History 1901-1970 These were Walter H. Bundy, who went with Charles Taze Russell to Great Britain .... Table that ultimately orchestrates the network of the Bilderberg Group, ... www.geocities.com/lord_visionary/illuminatihistory...

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Look at what they are doing at dub receptions.

by darth frosty in

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well it would be fun.... .

http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?contentid=403233.

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tula

THAT WAS REAL FUN!!

Thanks for posting.

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Tried to get my mom to watch the NBC segment last night...

by Elyse867 in

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she wouldn't watch it... i told her all about it, and she of course started defending it before i was even finished.

then we got into a long discussion, which was pretty one-sided, her telling me why the wts has the 'truth'.

i told her all my concerns, and tried asking the 'if the wts is god's one and only 'channel' to earth, why all the changes in doctrine' question, and she of course gave me the 'light gets brighter' bs answer.

tula

tried reasoning with her... I've never heard her talk so fast...

I have observed this as a common trait with many JWs. I wonder if its because as long as they talk they don't have to hear or think about what you are saying. Sometimes what they are giving as a reply has absolutely no recognition of what you just said and is a non-answer. It's like a memorized rehearsed defense of the wts.

Why are their minds so impenetrable? If you cannot converse and have a active listener...how can they be reached?

For a group that "prides themselves" on reasoning skills (they don't really have them, but their book titles imply to them that they do)...why do they not listen at least, in order to know what they are refuting?

How can they be reached? How can you make them pay attention to what you are saying before their mouth goes into gear?

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Satans Witness

by Nordic in

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this day in denmark ther is frontpage article about, jehovahs witness:.

http://ekstrabladet.dk/visartikel.sasp?templateid=1

tula

thought this deserved a revival

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"Where's your jacket brother"

by jambon1 in

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i remember an elder walking in the hall and it was the 1st thing he said to me as he saw me dealing with the sound dept.

"where is your jacket"!!!!

nice greeting!!

tula

In the South Pacific Islands it was common for women to go topless, and still is in remote areas. So it was not uncommon to go to a meeting at the Kingdom Hall (usually a very modest structure, and maybe open-air) and see most if not all the sisters without tops on, including the ones giving talks on stage. To be perfectly clear, these women were naked from the waste up. But when it came to “brothers,” the Watchtower instructed congregation elders that the men should wear a tie if giving a part from the stage. Most of these men could not afford shoes and socks, let alone a tie. So it was rather amusing to see congregations where there was one communal tie and when one brother left the stage he would take off the tie and don it on the next speaker. The amusement was not the poverty. Rather it was the madness of a Watchtower policy that put style of clothing above clothing itself. I mean, the biblical model has God himself covering human nakedness, but nowhere does the biblical model don ties on the men.
Marvin Shilmer

This has got to be the most amusing comment I've read in a long time. Too bad Margaret Mead was not around to see this. It would have made a great story in a journal on social anthropology. I would love to see a photo of this on Awake mag. Would be a hoot if the photo made national geographic first.

Thanks for a delightful contribution, Marvin.