Or it could be noise, "bad association" as it were. ;-) But of course then you look at what holds THEM back, it's pretty much the same. Nice poem if you don't know it:
http://peacefulrivers.homestead.com/MaryOliver.html#anchor_14788
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Everything you know about God is wrong - new book recommend
by stillajwexelder ineverything you know about god is wrong - the disinformation guide to religion.
new book recommend edited by russ kick published 2007. this is a new book just arrived i ordered on amazon.com isbn-10 1-932857-59-1. it is 387 a4?
pages long by various authors and a piece by dawkins.
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From hibiscusfire: "What do you know about God?"
You first.
Maybe he was answering the question.
Actually, knowing that what you've learned about something is wrong is not necessarily a bad thing - if you actually want to know what's true. Atleast then you've found that what you've previously learned is not it. Anyway, negative thoughts wouldn't be a problem if it isn't just ideas you believe in, otherwise it just shows you are defending a belief system.
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Hopefully there is a third focus, where you put your heads together without a predefined agenda of proving the other side wrong, and at the same time not hanging on to having common ground or your existing views but just an interest in a better understanding of what is true.
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Great Quote From Everything about God Wrong
by stillajwexelder inas you know i recommended a new book - here is an excerpt from my original post .
everything you know about god is wrong - the disinformation guide to religion.
new book recommend edited by russ kick published 2007 this is a new book just arrived isbn-10 1-932857-59-1. it is 387 a4?
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The phrase "received wisdom" doesn't even make sense in the first place. You can receive knowledge/info, but wisdom is like intelligence - how do you "receive" it? Of course you can actively test it by using it, but anyone with any actual wisdom will likely see it's just a script that's being followed. At best any discernment is used to try to make the story sound plausible, to yourself and/or others rather than make distinctions about what is true - which is of course backwards.
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Hey! An all-purpose mental healt med!
by Madame Quixote incommon uses:
"this medicine is used to prevent or treat seizures.
this medcine is used to treat acute manic episodes.
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Is it field service?
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Have you tried increasing your reading speed? Recommendations?
by Open mind inhere's a shout out to any who may have tried increasing their reading speed and comprehension.
have you tried any particular methods, courses, books, etc?.
if so, with what success?
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I've just started a book called How To Read a Book by Mortimer Adler, and although it may sound remedial and is not intended as a speed reading method, it makes a lot of good points and presents the whole process in a logical, systematic way. Basically the process involves 4 stages: 1) Elementary reading which is just knowing what the words mean, 2) Skimming previewing where you read the preface, table of contents, index, blurb etc. 3) Analytical reading where you really look at the structure as well as the content, and finally 4) Syntopical reading where you read multiple books on the same subject. At the moment I am at a part where it makes the point about the expository nature of books both fiction and non-fiction, and it just makes sense to get an idea of what kind of book it is and then read it accordingly. In short it seems to emphasize knowing both what the book is about and how it says what it says, and base your approach on that. As far as speed goes, the author points out it is all a matter of the APPROPRIATE speed, depending on the material rather than just trying to cover a lot of ground in a little time. The only place where speed is suggested is after the skimming/preview stage where you read it all the way through to get an overall view of the book as a whole, (and then not necessarily extra fast, just not stopping) but then the second two steps involving comprehension is another matter. I expect it to be good in terms of getting the most out of the time spent reading, even if it isn't faster there's going to be better bang for your buck in terms of understanding when you employ an active reading process.
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Thanks everyone. Greendawn, I'm afraid I wouldn't be that good with my experiences, to me they were so long ago and it is just not as involved as a lot of other people. I have literally forgotten a lot of details including the teachings. I haven't looked back in a while, although I am interested in people's experiences too even if it is JW related because that doesn't change - if anything you are more human after the experience.
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Thanks dude! I've been aware of this site for years now actually, haven't looked in a while and so I check from time to time. Damn if it isn't an interesting group of people, I had intended to read three good books here before I came on..
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Atheists vs Theists - IQ Score
by serotonin_wraith ini've heard about a few studies that show atheists are smarter than theists in some aspects of life- science, maths, etc.
i'm not sure how true it is though, so let's see how we do.
i did my test at www.iqtest.com.
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Good point, the fact of the matter is mind control is not a matter of intelligence, it's a psychological issue. If you have a true believer that is smart they will just use their intelligence to rationalize their beliefs, it doesn't mean they are not capable of using their intelligence in other areas in life or a neutral process such as an IQ test. It's only when you talk about those particular issues that their logic becomes convoluted and ultimately falls short.
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The trivium
by educ8self ini recently found out about the classical model of education based on three stages of grammar, dialectic and rhetoric - evidently it is of interest with home schooling.
i wonder if anyone has any input on this.
i get the basic concept, but am just interested in going a little deeper into it.
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I recently found out about the classical model of education based on three stages of grammar, dialectic and rhetoric - evidently it is of interest with home schooling. I wonder if anyone has any input on this. I get the basic concept, but am just interested in going a little deeper into it. Seeing as how many JWs are home schooled I thought some may know, although I guess for many it's just a way to get away from the worldly influence.