Posts by oompa

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When Did You First Get Exposed To "Apostate" Info? How Did It Affect You?

by minimus in

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as a kid, i used to read all the watchtowers of the 40s and 50s to see how the present day information developed from its original "thought".

i was exposed to many eye opening statements but i swept them under the carpet (although it stayed in the recesses of my brain) until the time was right.. so for me, it was a gradual thing.. how were you affected by your first encounters with "apostate" material?

?.

oompa

i googled WT SCANS over a year ago and found this place.......i was already out mentally due to my own research using only non-apostate info and wt lit........i was proud of myself for never looking at apostate stuff and that i could tell elders and family that all my material was WT and that i had never looked at any apostate info........now i tell them i have to freedom to go and see and read ANY FRIKKIN THING I WANT!!!........oompa

and ya.....it felt real good to know i was not really a freak!........and then to make actual friends here.....we are not alone

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When you were in, did you have the Watchtower study underlined?

by asilentone in

what happens if you don't?

did they treat you differently?.

oompa

at the end i speeded up the process with spray cans of yellow and pink highliner.....took about 2 senconds per page.......then it looked like other in the hall who underlined so much it was all one color anyway.......idiots........oompa

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What is the Witness view of seeking psychological help and medication?

by Leprechaun in

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its been so long since i was involved with the policies of the witnesss.

i just have not kept track of their grandiose wise views, (snicker) concerning this subject.

so any input or attachments would be appreciated.

oompa

The witness view is focused on the head of the JW in front of him standing in the looooonnnnnngggggg line of jw's in front of them waitin on shrinks and meds.............oompa

been there aplenty.........

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sistas work at bethel and quckbuilds yet cant carry mics or do lit. counter??

by oompa in

i know paul said they were to be totally silent at meetings and jw's found a way to throw out the idea.....but where do all these weird rules for the ladies actually come from.....most are not in print but they are just an accepted idea?

all elders just seem to know it and do sisters ever ask to do something only the guys do?.

they can clean toilets, but not carry a clean mic?......nice.......they can pull weeds all day in the kh flower bed, but cant hand out territories or literature?.....but they can work full time at bethel in even special fields like law and medical field........and do all kinds of major work at quickbuilds and assembly halls........ also......tongues of fire hit the sistas in the upper room filled with 120.....they could speak in tongues, heal, and even prophesy!!

oompa

i know paul said they were to be totally silent at meetings and JW's found a way to throw out the idea.....but where do all these weird rules for the ladies actually come from.....most are not in print but they are just an accepted IDEA? all elders just seem to know it and do sisters ever ask to do something only the guys do?

they can clean toilets, but not carry a clean mic?......nice.......they can pull weeds all day in the KH flower bed, but cant hand out territories or literature?.....but they can work full time at bethel in even special fields like law and medical field........and do all kinds of major work at quickbuilds and assembly halls.......

also......tongues of fire hit the sistas in the upper room filled with 120.....they could speak in tongues, heal, and even prophesy!!!........yet none on the GB?.....why not?.........they would not have to "teach" as only elders can do......they would just be helpin make decisions by means of the powerful holy spirit they are filled with and guided by (vile fluid in mouth)..........oompa

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Raising Children In The JW Cult Is Child Abuse

by George Yurich in

raising children in the jw cult is child abuse because the jw cult is the most dangerous organization on earth.

the jw cult is totally satanic.

anybody who is a jw is insane and psychotic and incapable of logical and analytical thinking.

oompa

funny first post......but seriously.........JW's are not NEARLY the most dangerous org. on earth........islamic extremists are far more oppressive and judgemental.....they cut of body parts, heads, and stone women and children.....kill their own daughters for marrying/dating outside their faith....i bet there are other orgs. you can think of that are worse..........oompa

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Would a definite article prove that Jesus is God?

by solafide in

from what i've studied of jw's, john 1:1 is interpreted as "and the logos was (a) god".

therefore, because there is no definite article in john 1:1 for example, one supposedly cannot confirm that jesus is referred to as "the god".

so my question for the jw is "what if jesus were reffered to with a definite article in the nt"?

oompa

YES!........if i saw jesus write an article with his finger in solid stone.......it would definitely do it for me.............oompa

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Are only males labeled sexual "perverts"?

by The Berean in

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have you ever heard a female referred to as a "pervert"?.

oompa

right about that trailer case dan-p............but lol at keezer!!!........ditto........oompa

where were the hot teachers doin the guys when i was in school?!?!?!.......how i wish my art teacher perved me in 9th grade......oompa

she was on my paper route and came to the door all wet and in a large white towel......i have had a thing for white towels ever since...really

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unique deathless generation---we were soooo special....

by oompa in

millions now living will never die!

(i sure heard this a lot over the years).....what a mindfluck!

!...i was spoonfed this from the birth, but you must feel really stoopid if bought into this as an adult and joined this outfit.....(let me know, cause i would feel stoopid and feel stoopid for not walking in 1995 when they decided the the generation of 1914 was not a real generation)....notice they continue this mindfluck teaching even after 1995....oompa.

oompa

AGING SUCKS IMHO!!!

Also, i kinda went off to a family member last week about paragraph 4 i believe of last weeks WT lesson.....it talks about knowing "where we are in the stream of time".....and how "deep into the last days we are"!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................i asked my WT conductor relative what scripture......ANY SCRIPTURE is there that gives ANY indication of how long the last days may last......and WHERE THE HELL ARE WE IN THE STREAM OF TIME!!!!!

he acknowledged there are none and that he wished WT would stop saying it.....he has felt that way for years.......but he is still faithful and says that WT just needs to keep the friends in expectation of it.....keep them on their toes

i say why not just say "be on the watch.......keep on your toes cause we dont know when"......but for some reason that is not enough.....i also told him that constantly saying it is "so close" causes some mental problems.....like the scripture says.....

"expectation postponed is making the heart sick".........i think there are a lot of sick souls out there.....getting old....and ready to die.........oompa

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If there's some good in the Watchtower, why leave it?

by AlmostAtheist in

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the post about crisis of conscience in which the poster said he knows there's some bad in the watchtower (as brought out in coc), but there's some good in it too got me to wondering about people that stay for the good in it.. the united states makes some decisions as a country that i don't agree with, perhaps even object strongly to.

but i don't disavow my citizenship.

it's mostly a good place to live, so i stay.. if you want to live in a way that utterly conflicts with the watchtower -- homosexual, multiple sex partners, smoking, whatever -- then you have reason to leave.

oompa

Interesting Winston and others....but we are truly all different......for me, finding out how they had altered the bible, been wrong on sooo many things and continue to teach so many things that go beyond the scriptures was just more than i could bear......i was becoming physically ill....field service became a burden i could no longer carry.....i felt like a total hypocrite and this carried over to how i felt attending meetings and hearing things at every meeting that demanded me scream out "BULLSHIT"......i knew i had to stop attending or i would have done this!

i had a totally unplanned fade as i was so "spiritually weak" i just started doing less and less and going less and less......then finally told my wife......."i cant do this anymore"........that was hard........ i was sad to have changed so much, and it was sad seeing her go to all the meetings alone, but i just could not fake it anymore

I find it interesting that you winston can stay an elder and feel as you do......but also i find this statement of yours odd/interesting:

"wonderful parents, siblings, the best wife and adorable kids. I regret much of the time and effort I gave to WTS, but I refuse to waste more tie and effort by dealing with the DF/DA/fading, shunning crap. Why? What would I accomplish, other that losing all I have in terms of affection."

I am just like you in the family part, but i also had GREAT friends and so many wonderful times with them....but you on the other hand already seem shunned as you also said you have no friends????........you may be surprised that if you are sincere and honest as to how you feel.....your family and closest friends can understand and may not shun you.......also, i one of your kids is dfd like mine.......you face a difficult situation....I just hope you choose not to shun them, but support them....it has been a horrible thing to see my young son abandoned the way he has.....what a high price to pay for changing your mind after a minor stupidly is allowed to take the plunge.......

This shunning practice is so evil, so devastating to kids, that it alone would probably prevent me from ever being able tobe part of any faith that does this to adults, much less kids.......how do you and inbetween cope with this nasty aspect of this religion?......it just goes against everything "family" i grew up with.......maybe my wonderful family life (like yours) made me see i could not be part of a faith that destroys families.......oompa

when my dad/elder turns and walks away at the sight of my df son........... the stomach pain i feel is real and it has changed my feelings for my own dad

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unique deathless generation---we were soooo special....

by oompa in

millions now living will never die!

(i sure heard this a lot over the years).....what a mindfluck!

!...i was spoonfed this from the birth, but you must feel really stoopid if bought into this as an adult and joined this outfit.....(let me know, cause i would feel stoopid and feel stoopid for not walking in 1995 when they decided the the generation of 1914 was not a real generation)....notice they continue this mindfluck teaching even after 1995....oompa.

oompa

Millions Now Living Will Never Die! (I sure heard this a lot over the years).....what a mindfluck!!...i was spoonfed this from the birth, but you must feel really stoopid if bought into this as an adult and JOINED this outfit.....(let me know, cause i would feel stoopid and feel stoopid for not walking in 1995 when they decided the the generation of 1914 was not a REAL generation)....notice they continue this mindfluck teaching even after 1995....oompa

*** w98 7/1 p. 24 par. 18 "Death Is to Be Brought to Nothing" ***Of course, "other sheep" alive today have a hope that is unique to this generation . As part of an ever-increasing "great crowd," they may survive the coming "great tribulation" and never experience physical death! (Revelation 7:9, 14)

*** w96 11/1 pp. 12-13 par. 2 Sharing the Comfort That Jehovah Provides ***What about God’s promise to end wickedness and to transform this earth into a paradise? When you learned about this, did it not comfort you and fill you with eager anticipation? How did you feel when you first learned of the possibility of never dying but of surviving into that coming earthly Paradise? No doubt you were thrilled. Yes, you had become a recipient of God’s comforting message now being preached worldwide by Jehovah’s Witnesses.—Psalm 37:9-11, 29; John 11:26; Revelation 21:3-5.

*** w95 2/15 p. 16 par. 12 Saved Alive Through the Great Tribulation ***It is exciting to contemplate survival of the end of this system of things and the possibility of never having to die.

Marvelous to say, that "curing" includes the conquest of Adamic death itself! "He will actually swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will certainly wipe the tears from all faces." (Isaiah 25:8) Thus, those who survive the great tribulation into the new world need never face death!

*** w90 5/1 p. 28 par. 19 Exercise Faith for Everlasting Life ***Thus, people who today exercise faith in God and in his Son have the thrilling hope of surviving this system’s end and continuing alive into God’s new world— never dying at all!

Those of the great crowd who survive this world’s end will not need a resurrection from the dead because they "will never die at all "! Are you taking steps to be one of this group? If so, what an amazing, unique privilege is open to you—that of surviving the end of Satan’s evil system and being ushered into a righteous new era that will bring you perfect health and everlasting life on a paradise earth! (Luke 23:43; Revelation 21:4, 5) By learning what is God’s will and persevering in doing it, you may demonstrate that you ‘are not of the sort that shrink back to destruction.’ You too may "have faith to the preserving alive of the soul."—Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 2:15-17; Revelation 7:15.