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  Are G.B. Members Too Scared to Visit the U.K. ?

  by The Searcher in

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  ... in case the u.k. charities commission summons them - like the australian royal commission snared mr. jackson?

  why else would they be sending two of their personal boot-lickers?.

  credit to wifibandit for this post.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5658621048258560/boe-2016-01-13-britain-branch-visit-2016-01-18-correct-use-jw-org-inboxes.

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  Tornintwo

  The Charities Commission investigation into the JWs is separate to the National Institutional enquiry

  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-investigates-jehovahs-witnesses-charities

  does anyone know how this is progressing?
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  WT Study 1/10/16 Encouraging Child Baptism And More Nonsense

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've noticed that each wt lesson really only has one or two points they want remembered.

  normally they build up to these by about the third subheading.

  this week's lesson though was different, the main point was insidiously made through an experience in the first paragraph:.

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  Tornintwo

  Ive noticed that each WT study and talk seems to have the SAME basic points they want you to remember, can't believe I never noticed it before.

  1. Do more in 'serv-us'. Spend as much time as humanly possible in field service, or volunteering to support our aims. Feel like crap until you do.

  2. Don't get involved with friends, activities, news or education which is outside our organisation.

  3. Don't complain when our hierarchy treats you like crap. You are supposed to be miserable, its the time of the end.

  4. Put your own needs last, put our needs first (They say God's needs but we know what they mean)

  4. Get your kids to follow all the above too. If they won't, shun them until they will.
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  Jw style encouragement - Return or perish....

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i haven't been able to post much recently, just started a new job with long hours... but i'm thinking of you all and drop in when i can.

  anyway i've been meaning to tell you about this because thought it would tickle some of you.... 5 months after my last meeting, i've just had two "kind and loving" 'come back' messages/cards from different people both using the same days text from dec. 31st which says: .

  "it is not a desirable thing with my father who is in heaven for one of these little ones to perish" matt 18:14. jehovah cares deeply about all those who have expressed love for his name, even if they are not actively serving him at present.

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  Tornintwo

  Thank you all for your responses.

  All for show.....that's exactly what me and my daughter think now.

  Lets face it he has made his requirements as clear as MUD, it is an accident of birth most of the time what religion you are. They are always on about their beloved website reaching all corners of the world but do they not know that still 60% of the worlds population still don't have internet. So if God is as cruel, jealous and exacting as they say he is, and he will kills billions of people because they didn't find the 'truth' in this messed up world, then we would happily take our chances with the billions, thank you very much.
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  New WT pdf tells children to report. Irony?

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  pdf.

  why won't watchtower tell abusers "i'm going to tell on you!

  " and follow through with the proper authorities?

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  Tornintwo

  yes how ironic. "test your alarm system":

  "beep beep beep beep beep beep!! you are about to get sued, cover your asses quick...."
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  Lurkers: Is it true that no servant of Jehovah in the bible celebrated birthdays?

  by juandefiero in

  1. watchtower
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  did you know that job's family celebrated birthdays?

  the word translated "his own day" at job 1:4 is the same word translated "day of his birth" in job 3:1. .

  seems deceptive, does it not, to change that translation.

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  Tornintwo

  Nice post....I always found the birthday explanation hard to stomach and even harder to defend in 22 years a witness. I realise now that my 2 older kids missed out on a lot in not going to classmate's birthday parties. I actually think birthdays give children important lessons, giving someone else the prominence for the day, giving up a present you might like yourself, not being selfish, but knowing that your day will come around too. All this nonsense about birthdays glorifying creation etc is just complete CRAP. My big girl is 15 soon, she is going to absolutely revel in her first birthday.
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  New here

  by MarkofCane in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello and thanks to everyone for participating on this forum it has really been of much value, for those of you that post here know that your words are not lost you never know who is reading your expressions, lives are being changed and nonsense challenged.

  i’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar but i want to share my story to help anyone who is visiting here to see that we are real people, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters who have come here for answers, there is no agenda, just searching for truth.

  i hope my story will help others as so many here have helped me..

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  Tornintwo

  Great and moving account, thank you for sharing....

  Its a shocker alright, I woke up about 8 months ago, I'm just coming out of the fog now, starting to enjoy life, but in the early days I felt physically sick and close to a breakdown. Regrets...., not worth thinking over, they just lead to depression and frustration - best to live life properly, for today and tomorrow and for us and our families, not for some self appointed delusional men on a powertrip. If I look back I wouldn't have got married as young as I did, would have had a better career, been closer to my non witness family, probably wouldn't have stayed married and endured abuse, but then I wouldn't have my 3 beautiful kids either. Life's as game of choices, just be glad you're making a good one now....

  Oh and I loved you're 'off the hamster wheel' comment - yes it feels great!!!!!
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  Jw style encouragement - Return or perish....

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i haven't been able to post much recently, just started a new job with long hours... but i'm thinking of you all and drop in when i can.

  anyway i've been meaning to tell you about this because thought it would tickle some of you.... 5 months after my last meeting, i've just had two "kind and loving" 'come back' messages/cards from different people both using the same days text from dec. 31st which says: .

  "it is not a desirable thing with my father who is in heaven for one of these little ones to perish" matt 18:14. jehovah cares deeply about all those who have expressed love for his name, even if they are not actively serving him at present.

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  Tornintwo

  I haven't been able to post much recently, just started a new job with long hours... but I'm thinking of you all and drop in when i can. Anyway I've been meaning to tell you about this because thought it would tickle some of you...

  5 months after my last meeting, I've just had two "kind and loving" 'come back' messages/cards from different people both using the same days text from Dec. 31st which says:

  "It is not a desirable thing with my father who is in heaven for one of these little ones to perish" Matt 18:14
  

  Jehovah cares deeply about all those who have expressed love for his name, even if they are not actively serving him at present. (Luke 15:3-7) Are you among those who are not now actively serving God? Perhaps someone in the congregation hurt you and as a result you stopped associating with Jehovahs organization. Since some time may have passed, ask yourself "Is my life more meaningful and I am I happier? Was it Jehovah who offended me, or was it an imperfect human? Has Jehovah God ever done anything to harm me? Really, he has always done good toward us. Even if we are not living up to our dedication to him, he allows us to enjoy the good things he provides. (Jas 1:16,17). Soon Jehovahs day will come. Now is the time to return to our heavenly Father's loving arms and to the congregation - the only safe haven in these last days - Deut 33:27; Heb: 10,24,25 w 13 11/15 2:16,17

  Both with riders very similar saying 'Jehovah is asking you to return to him....blah blah blah'

  Now I've got to say these messages really p'd me off, despite the fact they were both from quite genuine, kind 'sisters' and former friends. Why so annoyed?

  1. They assume they KNOW how God is feeling about me right now. How do they have the right to say how the Almighty God feels about me and what I am doing in my life? How do they presume to say he disapproves of me somehow?

  2. Despite being couched in kind, innoffensive language, the theme scripture uses the word PERISH, and the last few words of the comments intimate that anyone is in danger if they are not in the JW congregation when the end comes. So in not so many words, they are saying, "come back dearly beloved sister otherwise we say you are going to DIE" (I guess that goes for my 2 kids who've left too).

  So to summarise, if you don't follow 7 self-appointed men in Brooklyn and come back to their hierarchical, judgemental, critical, pharisaical, unloving, captive, child molester protecting, youth destroying, family splitting organisation - you are not in the Almighty God's goodbooks don't you know and the chances are you will be toast when HE brings the end of the world (or should I say you'll be a charred hotdog).

  How sweet of them? Why wouldn't I want to go running back to the KH with such emotional blackmail ringing in my ears?
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  Infighting at the top?

  by JeffT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we've all been trying to decipher what is going on at the top of the watchtower organization.

  clearly, the game's afoot, we just don't know what game we're playing.

  item: the constant harping about money and donations.

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  Tornintwo

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  A brother who is also a very successful businessman had some contacts and insight at bethel, 3 years ago he told me the inefficiencies were astonishing from a business point of view at NY bethel, with different departments not communicating properly Because of politics and egos, resulting in great waste. He was also the one to open my eyes to the fact that their "volunteer" bethel force was actually a great deal more costly to keep than normal employees are, hence the trend towards 'commuter' bethelites. If it has carried on in that vein, along with lawsuits pending in us and oz, decreased donations because of the general decline in publishing (the main motivation to donate was when you got some shiny new publication), then I think it is entirely feasible that they are in a mess financially.

  I think the silver sword publication was an attempt to boost donations which it did according to the uk published figures, but it didn't go far enough. What next???
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  I almost died laughing at the meeting last night. OMG WTF is going on? Have I been away this long?

  by macys in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok so most of you guys know already that i am going through the reinstatement process for my parents but i do have a partially sinister plan which i will not mention here since someone told me that there are b-lites that read boards like this.

  last night and it was the funniest experience i have ever seen.

  besides that the brother doing the sound and video screwed up the whole thing when showing the videos and it took 3 brothers to fix it after 10 minutes, the whole thing was a joke.

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  Tornintwo

  Funny post thank you! Still not tempted to go tho...4 months without meetings this week, not missing it!
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  How J.W.'s Are Programmed to React to "Inconvenient Truths"

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  been there, seen the movie, bought the t-shirt - done all three!

  still cringe at how i viewed the corporation's teachings as sacrosanct.

  bite the bullet lurkers - treat your gangrenous thinking and begin your recovery.

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  Tornintwo

  So true....what excuses have I heard from jws about the bad press regarding child abuse:

  "don't believe everything you read in the news"

  "the victim is an apostate trying to cause trouble"

  "they're just after money"

  "Satan is using the press and the courts against us"

  "apostate driven lies" ........

  Please, use your God given critical thinking skills!