i was flipping through the channels while doing cardio and i decided to hear what a couple of these people had to say.
while i've determined that i'm agnostic, this one guy was pretty good...he was practical and funny.
he made the bible seem more like a good self-help book than a "book laws to be obeyed or else you'll die".
I have varied opinions of the people mentioned but I can comment on one thing.
I don't remember any one preacher or ministry downing the JWs and I don't know why but I GUESS that it is because they really don't know for sure how bad the JWs really are or how wrong they are, how wicked they are, etc.
Or maybe they don't want to resort to name calling like the JWs do.
sacrebleu
ex witness of 20 years here.
by the grace of god (or something anyway) i managed to get out.
i visited this forum about 5 years ago and noticed the u.n. issue.
I feel silly welcoming anyone since I am still so new myself, but welcome.
And I agree that you could probably find a really good name for yourself.
sacrebleu
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hey, i'm canadian eh!
(should be hostess) .
The Dill Pickle chips are GREAT but they are also a heart attack in a sack.
Of course, most chips (salt) are if you have congestive heart failure.
sacrebleu
hey ya'll.
i know there is a lot of buzz due to the nbc story.
i thought i'd share my experience as an elder dealing with abuse.. i attended 23 different congregations in my life and served as an elder or ms in 9 of them.
The BIBLE does not encourage leaving small children at risk because of Deut.17:6.
Deut 17:6 is talking about crimes that would get the death penalty!
Personally, pedaphiles should get a slow, painful death, but the point I am trying to make is that it took two witnesses to accuse someone of something that would result in their DEATH. It took two witnesses for that. AND if the witnesses were later found to be lying, THEY were put to death. Hence, no false accusations.
How many people in the US "justice" system have been put to death, THEN proven innocent. With this type of rule in place, that wouldn't happen. They might get life in prison, but not death. Someone who is still alive can be freed if FINALLY proven innocent.
I don't think this rule is used correctly by the society anymore than most of the other Scriptures they use. Don't blame the Bible, blame the perverts and their protectors. They twist and turn the Bible so violently it is unrecognizable!
And I agree with those who wrote that the conscience should kick in. God can protect His own good name and WILL come judgment day for these stupid JWs. But children are ours to protect. I would NEVER let a child's innocence be stolen and stand by. The JWs are so cruel and heartless. That's the main reason I got out. THEN I realized they don't really represent God and/or the Bible.
BESIDES, the old rules don't apply now. We are under a NEW COVENANT. And there are only two commandments. Love God with your whole heart and love your neighbor also. These two cover everything INCLUDING not harming your children or your neighbor's children.
sacrebleu
check out this conversation i had with a "sister".
sister: the last man i loved proposed to me.
he offered me everything he had.. ffm: and what happened?.
What a lucky break for the guy.
sacrebleu
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/tch/local/story/9474207p-9385423c.html.
recent tri-city transplant to sign memoir.
published friday, november 23rd, 2007. by sara schilling, herald staff writer.
Awesome. I can't wait to read it. I am working on my own story and I have a few questions about legalities. And I can't wait to hear your story. I will order it next pay day!
sacrebleu
ok, get this.... .
according to the man that gave this talk, we don't need to worry about whether it was possible for the jonah story to be true (surviving in the stomach of a sea-going animal for three days without dying), it was true because god said it, and that's what proves it to be true.
Actually I heard the story of a man who survived inside a whale more recently.
When he got out his skin was bleached white (from stomach acid) and his eyes were light blue.
That would have made people sit up and notice him, huh?
Can't prove it. I should do some research I guess. Too full of Thanksgiving.
But if the Bible says it I believe it. If the JWs say it, it is BS unless they (rarely) agree.
sacrebleu
because of my background with the witless ones, when my husband died it was hard to believe he was in heaven.
i could hope there is a heaven for those who die.
that he is in a better place.
I just finished reading a very good book by a man who was clinically dead for 90 minutes.
It is called 90 Minutes in Heaven by Don Piper and it is great! I would encourage anyone to read it, but it especially comforted me since I lost my mom 3 years ago. We were really close. I was closest to her of all her kids. And I look forward to seeing her again someday.
When Don Piper died he saw his grandpa first, then all of his friends and relatives who had gone before him. It is a great book. He has a web site, has DVDs also and makes public appearances.
sacrebleu
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=495140&in_page_id=1811&in_page_id=1811&expand=true.
revelations re the madeline mccann disappearance - the mail is a middle of the road uk paper, not a tabloid.
murat's girlfriend a jw?.
But it says she was at a "prayer meeting". Either she is lying or the paper misnamed it.
The JWs don't have prayer meetings.
sacrebleu
hey ya'll.
i know there is a lot of buzz due to the nbc story.
i thought i'd share my experience as an elder dealing with abuse.. i attended 23 different congregations in my life and served as an elder or ms in 9 of them.
You say you followed the rules but didn't your conscience kick in?
What if it had been your child.
I thank your for the input but I still wonder how people can be so controlled.
I was a JW too and never would have let this crap go.
sacrebleu
