lol, although I'm almost 100% sure Jesus never used the term STFU , we all can't help but laugh to ourselves when we read about Jesus getting so angry and over turning the tables of the money changers in the temple. Although were taught not to love money notice how many of Jesus examples involve money, pay back ceasers things to ceaser, what you vow pay, God hates a fixed scale, in other words we don't love money but he did tell us to know what's going on , don't be stupid and dont be gullible and to stand up for right and wrong. So you tell them boys to finish the job they contracted to do, that way later in life when they are older adults and practice good business sense they will remember you as a positive influence in their lives. ( just remember the mind of a teenager, it may not get through till much much later lol!)
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How can I learn to more assertive?
by Apostate Kate2 ini think this is left over from dubdays, dunno.
when i need to be assertive i fizzle out.
my husband was furious when he came home.
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evidence of angelic direction
by tank ini just came across this on the official watchtover web site www.watchtower.org/ .
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jehovah's witnesses spend more than a billion hours annually preaching the good news of god's kingdom.
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exactly Wednesday that was my point in a nutshell, listen heres a perfect story to sum it up the other night my wife and I were watching a documentary about a family with a young child with lukemia, in the hospital room the grandfather lead a family prayer I don't know what religion they were all I know is my wife and I cried, after i managed to squeak in a little something , I said to my wife I cried when the grandpa said that prayer, and my wife said yes you could tell he loves his grandchild, then she added Jehovah hears every ones prayers if it is truly from the heart. ie: not praying at the superbowl for your favorite team to win..etc. any ways flash forward a week , were at the in laws, father in law is a well, I dont want to give out too much info on postion and such but lets just say he is a player in the game that is developing, at any rate the same show was on right before dinner were all watching and when the grandfather was praying my father in law gives like a long sigh and kinda huffs , and says " alot of good that will do , praying to a false God!" let me tell you all , as strongly as you all feel , I cannot describe the sickening feeling I had in my stomach at that remark, this is why im not a servant becuase like Uriah finally (with Jehovahs spirit backing him) laid into Job like no one else could've. So yes I believe Angels help out humans, but guess what? thier individuals too, they have lives , things they like to do, they aren't some sort of heavenly maid service, these are higher intelligent beings who like our heavenly father want us to keep advancing, that's why were all here on this board together isn't it? that's why we've all found each other? And don't think for a second I don't realize some of you haven't lost loved ones in some freak accident, or to disease, or some other tragedy, some one once explained it really simply to me , he asked if i love my kids , i said yes i do , he asked would you protect them from any harm if you could and i said yes , and then he asked me do you let them skateboard? the point being we make our own way, we do what we need to do, in the end there is a plan , you and I dont know for sure exactly what Jesus meant when he said " look im making a new heavens and a new earth" for all you know the ressurection could be taking place already in one place or another and can you imagine your blaming God for not bieng there and being bitter with him when he has already made your loved one whole? anyways ill stop for now its getting late and you all should be in bed anyways and not staring at your computer screens its bad for your eyes lol have a good night.
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evidence of angelic direction
by tank ini just came across this on the official watchtover web site www.watchtower.org/ .
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jehovah's witnesses spend more than a billion hours annually preaching the good news of god's kingdom.
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What we have to ask ourselves though is , has there been an instance of this in the past ? documented? any one remmember and old fellah named Balaam? donkey doesn't move , it absolutely frightened by something he can see but his rider cannot? sound familiar?. Don't ever suppose for one second that Jehovah's angelic forces are not powerful enough to stop a simple human from harming another human, and remmember how modest they are also. Of course this may have happened and of course the WTBTS would exploit it and say it was evidence of Jehovah's divine blessing upon them, " Is it from this rock , that (I) shall bring you people water!!" you get the point?
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new september 2007 Kingdom Ministry Qbox
by patientbrother inbrothers i absolutely had to join this web site once i saw the new km for this coming month, has any one else had a chance to view this?
i'm absolutely flabbergasted for the first time in my life, what about the the apostle paul and the bereans?
didn't he encourage them to go and find out for them selves the truth?
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It's very nice to meet the new faces here and to also hear the voices of those that are still on the inside as well, like myself. The hard part for some of us , especially the ones who give deep comments , because they still have a love for their heavenly father is that the elders take notice,. Out in service they will constantly ask why am I not serving. In all truthfulness Brothers and Sisters, I like you ,believe this is just the beginning, this new KM the NGO scandal the tight grip the society is keeping on it's members , alot of people are asking questions now , every one has the internet, I have a October 1st 1968 Awake magazine I keep in my bible with me at all times, during our last CO visit I even pulled it out when we were all making car groups in the back and he was asking if any one was offering dated literature I stood next to him and jokingly pulled the magazine out and said I was going to offer that, he kind of jokingly said " wow that's going back a ways". I told him that alot of the very old publications were available on ebay, and that I had been outbid on a pink song book that I wanted so badly, my underlying point to him being that , millions upon millions of witnesses had unbridled access to the internet, and they were making use of it. with the societies new KM Q-box this shows I believe a split that is occurring at Bethel , who do you think it was that finally got www.watchtower.org up and running?(younger Bothers) and then think to yourself who probably fought against the idea,(older Bothers) remember the pharisees did not want to let go of the old mosaic law, they didn't want to recognize the Messiah and the new provisions for life, so today there has begun a tug of war inside of Bethel, thats why I am still in the Kingdom hall Jesus said we were to care for his precious sheep, its our duty to him as our savior , and Brothers you all know that when this split occurs and it will soon, alot of innocent but just blindsided brothers are going to be hurting and that is when people like you and I have the opportunity to show love and compassion to one another just as Jesus demonstrated while on earth. There are going to be so many confused and they are going to need our love. remmember Jesus words at Matthew 24:45-51 notice he specifically says but if ever that evil slave shoud say in his heart " my master is delaying". and then read verse 51 and you cannot help but be fearful, these brothers of ours GB, DOs COs elders and ministerial servants are going to be held accountable to a greater degree because they had the power to speak out because of their assignments , but please don't give up hope always pray for Jehovah's holy spirit to effect each and every one of them to remember that Jehovah is in charge and it is Jehovah's heavenly kingdom, and that we are subjects and therefore subjected to him. last point , Moses was one of the most faithful humans to ever walk this planet and serve Jehovah, but do not forget that when he sinned by saying what he did when he struck the rock Jehovah did not hold back from punishing him, he didn't look the other way so to speak, but remember who lead Isreal into the promised land? it was a young man weve all read about Joshua who had a heart that truly loved his heavenly father and older ones dont forget his companion Kaleb even though he was alot older than Joshua he served in a very important duty, he gave Joshua sound advice , So don't be discouraged when you think back to all the years and you begin to see the evil slave showing himself, rather like we have been told all along gird up the armor that God does provide and and dig in. May Jehovah bless all those who earnestly search for him.
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How can I learn to more assertive?
by Apostate Kate2 ini think this is left over from dubdays, dunno.
when i need to be assertive i fizzle out.
my husband was furious when he came home.
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I agree whole heartedly you have to put your foot down, i could give a ton of examples just from our hall alone but one will suffice, a regular pioneer recently moved her and her husband are not in the best of health but they are also not handicapped, alot of our sisters went over to her house to help pack, this sister didn't have any boxes ready, didn't have anything sorted out , alot of the sisters stayed until very late in the evening , mind you they have thier own families to take care of , dinners to make lunches to pack and what not, anyways alot of brothers and sisters ended up having a negative attitude twoard this sister becuase of the way she seemingly took advantage. remember the advice written in the bible about overstaying your welcome and other things like that . If Jehovah wanted us to be walked all over constantly he would've never stood up for the nation of isreal, Jesus said turn the other cheek but he also gave examples of how to be unselfish and how to show true brotherly love to one another, and asking for your moneys worth is not violating his principles.
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Destroying One's Faith
by Sunspot inthe jws are always grumbling that former jws are trying to "destroy their faith" and that they have nothing nice to say about the men who write for the watchtower or their peculiar teachings.. but then---jws go to people's homes and try to convince them that they should stop:.
praising jesus,.
celebrating or honoring their lord and savior on his resurrection or on his birth,.
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I know how strongly you feel, I felt it out in service last week, talking to a man in our area named Andrew, he was from back east and missed his baptist church, the elder I was with instead of complimenting him on wanting to worship God instead attacked the trinity doctrine, some where in the discussion i interupted and we got on the subject of doubting Thomas, it turned out to be really interesting but again proves the point there is a huge gap that is forming between the young and informed and the old and set in their ways... so at lunch with all the brothers i casually brought up the bible account of when the Isrealites were about to go into the promised land, and i pointed out how the older ones 30yrs of age and over weren't allowed to cross, i asked why that was, although i knew the answer, the very same brother i was out in the field with answered thats becuase they weren't thinking like Jehovah and got set in their ways, AHA.... change will come and Jehovah will see to it, think of all the bible examples when wicked men lead worship in the temple they weren't dispatched right away but rather in Jehovah's due time when he saw fit he did just so. The same thing is true of our time, our father will not stand by forever and let men prophesy falsely in his name. Just remember that the young person you see at the door with the ignorant older man understands you and hears your voice and your biblical arguments. dont lose faith and definitely don't let someone discourage the love you have for your father...
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144,000 Changes Coming ?
by Poztate inin the may wt questions from readers they did away with the 1935 cut off date to be part of the original anointed class.
they taught any anointed after that date were replacements for those who had "fallen away".
over the years that doctrine has slowly fallen apart.
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out in service last week while at the door me and the elder I was with got into a discussion about the anointed of Jehovah, we were talking about how they would forgo their earthly existence in order to serve in heaven, I told him I thought that was a beautiful arrangement, he said thoughts about being in heaven freaked him out, I told him I would whole heartedly embrace such a opportunity to serve keep in mind i'm between the age of 30-40, what's interesting is what he said next, " well with the new light coming out you just never know!" So you see alot of the elders are seeing the hand writing on the wall, for years every one has ignored Jesus words at Matthew 22:30 NWT : " for in the resurrection niether do men marry nor are women given in marriage but are as angels in heaven" notice that the 144,000 are not mentioned in this verse so Jesus is giving a across the board application. I quoted this scripture to this elder while out in service during that discussion, I believe alot of them are starting to understand the bigger picture .
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OKM 09/07 (english)- Just another brick in the wall...
by metaspy inok guys and gals, i (being the assistant to the magazine counter) have acquired the newest okm.. i have uploaded it to imagevenue.com: here.
hopefully that works!.
by the way drew, your translation was very close.
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patientbrother
on the night they go over this question and answer box I will not be able to attend there are so many things I would love to say but it would crush my wifes spirit. It's really such a shame that so many of our brothers and sisters are going to be so blindsided when they realize that Jesus words about two slaves serving in the same house are coming true. Satan has so cleverly laid out a snare and so many will be following and worshipping the WTBTS that when the day comes and the finally realize they have been worshipping the governing body instead of Worshipping Jehovah they will be like the ones who said " but didn't we prophecy in your name, and expel demons in your name? and then he will say get away from me for I never knew you.. how utterly shocking that will be.
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new september 2007 Kingdom Ministry Qbox
by patientbrother inbrothers i absolutely had to join this web site once i saw the new km for this coming month, has any one else had a chance to view this?
i'm absolutely flabbergasted for the first time in my life, what about the the apostle paul and the bereans?
didn't he encourage them to go and find out for them selves the truth?
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I just have to let those of you who have already left or just become inactive how incredibly hard it is for those of us that are married with lots of family in the kingdom hall, to leave would be to rip a family apart. its so disgusting at times the things I hear, our PO gave a special needs talk recently about not listening to the things we hear about witnesses, I was hoping he would have the courage to speak about the molestation stuff but he didnt, rather it was a 15 minute damage control part. I have book study tonight and I literally get sick to my stomach when we go over the stuff in the revelation book, my only hope is that one day those of us that pointed out stuff like I did when I was a teen ager about the last generation stuff that we will finally breathe a sigh of relief. I know Jehovah is a patient and loving God but I also know that he gets very angry with those who are supposed to be taking the lead and will hold them to a higher standard and they will be accountable. May Jehovah bless those of you who are not bitter but who are also waiting patiently for the day when his house is truly inspected.
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new september 2007 Kingdom Ministry Qbox
by patientbrother inbrothers i absolutely had to join this web site once i saw the new km for this coming month, has any one else had a chance to view this?
i'm absolutely flabbergasted for the first time in my life, what about the the apostle paul and the bereans?
didn't he encourage them to go and find out for them selves the truth?
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Brothers I absolutely had to join this web site once I saw the new KM for this coming month, has any one else had a chance to view this? I'm absolutely flabbergasted for the first time in my life, what about the the apostle paul and the Bereans? didn't he encourage them to go and find out for them selves the truth? didn't they always go home and search in thier own bibles if the things they were being told were from God? this months Kingdom Ministry makes me so mad, and the real clincher is I brought it up while out in service with one of our elders and he got upset, I know now in my heart that this is Jehovahs way of testing out those who claim to be his servants, I hope and pray there is a elder some where out there that feels the same way and isn't one of these spoken of in the bible who eventually begin to Beat Jehovahs sheep and begin to drink with the spiritual drunkards of the world...... If any one needs a copy of the september kingdom ministry ill post one here, for every one.