Posts by funkyderek

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Is Anything Worth Dying For?

by HildaBingen in

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i often hear people here talk about the horrible jw willingness to die for blood transfusions.

maybe jws are mistaken when it comes to the bt issue; maybe not.

however i wonder if there is anything that is really worth dying for in this life.. for me, to live is christ and to die is gain.

funkyderek

Have you never heard of the fall? God wanted all of his children to enjoy everlasting life in the beginning.

No he didn't. He didn't want humans to have knowledge of good and evil, and he certainly didn't want them to live forever.

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, "Now that the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil, he must not be allowed to stretch out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

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But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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Always in the last place you look ...

by Simon in

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the answer to that age old question:.

when you are looking for something, why is it always in the last place you look?.

well, if you think about it, it's pretty obvious:.

funkyderek

Why is "abbreviated" such a long word, and why isn't there another word for "synonym"?

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But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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Is Anything Worth Dying For?

by HildaBingen in

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friends

i often hear people here talk about the horrible jw willingness to die for blood transfusions.

maybe jws are mistaken when it comes to the bt issue; maybe not.

however i wonder if there is anything that is really worth dying for in this life.. for me, to live is christ and to die is gain.

funkyderek

The present life is good. But it is not the be-all-and-end-all.

Oh yes it is, and I defy you to prove otherwise.
Why would a deity give us a life, and then expect us to gamble it for a better life? Why not just give us the life he wants us to have in the first place?

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But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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Is Anything Worth Dying For?

by HildaBingen in

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friends

i often hear people here talk about the horrible jw willingness to die for blood transfusions.

maybe jws are mistaken when it comes to the bt issue; maybe not.

however i wonder if there is anything that is really worth dying for in this life.. for me, to live is christ and to die is gain.

funkyderek

For me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. Don't get me wrong. I do not have some type of death wish. But I think some things are worth being persecuted for and even dying for--in this life. Do you all think that a person should preserve her present life at all cost?

Life is something that should be valued. The main purpose of most religion is to devalue "this" life - the only life we know - in favour of some future life. The effects of this approach vary from people being able to cope better with the death of loved ones, to people flying planes into skyscrapers.
Without valuing our lives - this life - we can have no real values.

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But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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I'm just too smart for my own good!

by lv4fer in

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when the elder called to talk to me the other day, he told me that one of my problems was that he didn't want to boost my ego, but that i have a higher than average intellectual ability and part of my problem was that i look too deep into things.

i tend to analyze things a bit too much.

he thinks its because i went to college, that may be part of my problem.. imagine that, i'm just too smart.

funkyderek

That's why they talk about "honest-hearted ones" and "sheep", and why they say not to try to preach to people who have studied - i.e really studied - the bible. They want people to emote, not to think.
The next time an elder says something like that to you, punch him in the face. Hard.

--
But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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Has Christ Risen?

by Silverleaf in

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i'm feeling peckish today so i thought i'd start a thread.

i passed a church today that had one of those signs out front where they post a new message every week or so.

the message today was:.

funkyderek

Christ has risen.

Great, but what has he done for us lately?

--
But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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Last Days & Hard times!

by U.2.K. in

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if everybody goes to heaven, what"s the point of the resurrection?

i tell you first hand with much meekfulness, that this life is not the life that mankind is suppose to be living in, and the only reason why we have been living in this life so long is because "the messiah" coming will be long<very long>, it was not jehovah's plan for us to die< adam & eve is the cause> satan the devil is the main source> and the paradise is not lost, cause if the earthly paradise was lost, then there be no creator, then the sun would not rise over the wicked & righteous... .

only the 144,000 goes to heaven to be a witness over mankind judgement after armageddon, the earth is not a testing ground, jehovah god has given us the earth & the thrones of heaven are jehovah- psalms- 116-115 verse 15-16.... noah & moses was great servants of "yah-weh & they did not enter heaven< billions are dead in there grave- & the resurrection is the truth .

funkyderek

U.2.K., try http://babelfish.altavista.com/ to help translate your thoughts into English. It's not perfect but it's probably better than whatever you're using now.

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But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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Is atheism genetic?

by Teirce in

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enough authorities say that homosexuality is.

or in other words, what causes atheism?

does the wts cause it?

funkyderek

I am an atheist because, in my considered opinion, there is no evidence for the existence of gods. Whether the analytical approach I use to try to distinguish reality from fantasy is the result of a genetic tendency, I don't know. I'd guess that I have at least some genetic bias towards rational thought.
Some studies seem to indicate that there is a significant correlation between high IQ and atheism, so that may also be a factor.

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Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. - Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts

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Religion and Art

by Sargon in

it's raining in southern ontario, so again i find myself with too much time on my hands.

at one of the main intersections of my town there is a beautiful one-ton clock by birks.

it's called the clock of the charging horsemen.

funkyderek

Since I don't consider the WT pictures, or the kingdom melodies to be art; can anyone point out to me any significant contribution by the WTS, or an individual JW to the world of art?

What about the "dramas" at conventions? Each one a finely crafted vignette, both entertaining and informative. [8>]

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Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. - Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts

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Girls Playing Sports (good or bad idea)

by clash_city_rockers in

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i found this really informitive artical by doug wilson at http://www.cradena.org on parinting are daughters who might play competitive athletics in high school or college.

maybe this would be a good topic to kick around in our discussion board.

all are welcome to give thier take on the matter in this round table discussion on parents raising thier daughters who may be athleticly gifted.. doug wilson artical can be found here at cradenda agenda, i think this is one of the best articals on the subject that is full of wise counsal and i hope you too can benifit from this artical that has a cultural impact and hopfully restoration in it's ramifications.. http://www.credenda.org/issues/13-6childer.php.

funkyderek

I would like you to define what are those “Rights” and what is the standard for such a definition this I believe would be very helpful in our dialog.

The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Reason is the standard.

You made this charge, falsely IMHO, but I would like you to document your factitious claim where God in your opinion unjustly whips out a people.

Genesis 7:23 - God destroys everybody in the world except eight people.
Genesis 19:24 - God destroys everybody in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah except one family.
Exodus 12:29 - God kils every firstborn child in Egypt.
Exodus 14:27,28 - God kills the entire Egyptian army.
Exodus 17: - God orders and assists in the destruction of the Amalekites
Exodus 32:25-29 - God's spokesman orders the killing of 3,000 Israelites.
Numbers 16 - God kills 250 Levites for questioning Moses's authority and 14,700 Israelites for questioning the first slaughter.
Numbers 25 - God kills 24,000 Israelites for worshipping another god.
Numbers 31 - God orders killed all the males, and non-virgin females of the Midianites.
Deuteronomy 2 - God orders Israel to kill the Amorites.
Joshua 6 - God kills all the citizens of Jericho, except for a prostitute and her family.
Joshua 8 - God orders Israel to kill the inhabitants of Ai. 12,000 people are slaughtered.
Joshua 10 - God and his merry band of followers slaughter all the people of Makkedah, of Libnah, of Gezer, of Lachish, of Eglon, of Hebron, of "the whole land, including the hill country, the Negev, the lowlands, the slopes"
Joshua 11 - they slaughter pretty much everyone else in the area.
Judges 1 - God kills 10,000 Canaanites and Perizzites.
Judges 3 - God kills 10,000 Moabites.

There's more if you want it but I'm starting to feel a little queasy. I think I've made my point anyway.

First of all because God has provided this “get out of jail” card in the form of the gospel message that is so simple that a child can understand it

Yes, and only a child can believe it because it is inherently contradictory and nonsensical.

Sure Thomas saw the Lord but it was the Holy Spirit that convicted Thomas of Christ resurrection, because the second half of verse 29 also gives blessing (a working of the Holy Spirit) to those who don’t have evidences.

That's clearly not true. Thomas believed because he put his finger through the holes in Jesus' hands - because he got evidence. This was a man who'd seen Jesus perform dozens of miracles. I've seen none. Why do I not deserve such clear evidence?

You missed answering what I thought was one of the most important questions in my last post: Imagine a god who created humans with free will and allows them to use it. They are rewarded if they behave well towards other people and punished if they do not. Would that god be more or less fair than your god?

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Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. - Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts