Posts by funkyderek

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Typical JW Apologist

by TheStar in

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this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .

do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.

yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.

funkyderek

hector3000 said:

JW's do not refer to themselves as prophets, and they do not make prophecies, they have speculated because the Bible encourages that.

Where exactly does the Bible encourage such speculation? Matthew 25:13 says quite clearly "you do not know the day or the hour."

How are the following quotes from Watchtower publications to be taken as anything other than prophecies?

"We see no reason for changing the figures-nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." - Zion's Watch Tower, July 15, 1894, p. 266

"1925 shall mark the resurrection of the faithful worthies of old....based upon the promises set forth in the divine Word, we must reach the positive and indisputable conclusion that millions now living will never die." - Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p. 97

Perhaps they were just providing a speculative interpretation of biblical prophecy. That's not what they said though.

"The interpretation of prophecy, therefore, is not from man, but is from Jehovah; and Jehovah causes events to come to pass in fulfillment of the prophecy in due time." - The Watchtower, May 1, 1938. p. 143

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But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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Did Satan prove God wrong? a possible bibical flaw

by Leander in

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most people are familiar with the account of job where satan makes the claim that the only reason humans serve god is because of selfish reasons.

god allowed satan to test this theory on job, so job was beset by numerous trials but he refused to give up on god or blame him in anyway.. it would appear that satan was proved wrong in this particular bible account but was he really?

would the majority of mankind follow jobs example if they were faced with similar trials?

funkyderek

First, let me say that you are not SUPPOSED to do anything for "my" God... that you don't WANT to do. That is one major difference between the Law covenant... and the New Covenant. And even if you ACTED like you wanted to do something (which a lot of folks do), the truth of your heart is not hidden from Him so that if you didn't REALLY want to do it, He's knows that, too. I give you Ananias and Sapphira.

So I have complete free will, but if I don't behave in a certain way, I'll be destroyed. and even if I do kowtow to such blackmail, I'll still be destroyed for not doing so willingly? Can't you see how utterly amoral such a system is?

1. Either God does not exist, and so could not/did not kill the child... and yet is blamed; or
2. He does and did, and yet puny earthling man deigns to stand up and challenge Him... as if they can and will get away safe for doing so.

I don't believe your god exists as you've probably gathered, but unfortunately his followers do. As one of them, you refuse to exercise independent thought when it comes to morality. Your way of determining right from wrong is simply to check what you think it says in the old book. The reason people criticise your god is so that if/when you eventually realise that he behaves like the god of a tribe of primitive goatherds, you'll realise that's all he is.

And for what, perhaps the last 100 years or so? Yet, the 'law' of the sons paying for the sins of the father was changed by God almost 3 millenniums ago.

It was instituted by him in the first place! And isn't he unchanging? And isn't he still punishing us for Adam and Eve's sin?

The ONLY reasons the laws have changed in the MODERN world ... is because too many INNOCENT PEOPLE ... were being killed

Exactly! Modern lawmakers consider human life to be valuable. Laws that devalued human life have been changed. Surely that's a good thing? Maybe some day your god will do the same.

Personally, I don't know. You would have to ask God. But my common sense says that if people treat "illegitmate" children as they do now... and particularly in this country (and even worse in other countries)... then 3,000 years ago it would have been the CHILD that would have suffered as a result of David's acts, simply by means of the self-righteous 'altitude' of Israel. Everyone would have known it was not Uriah's child; he had been away at war and then refused to sleep with Bathsheba. Folks knew she had been seeing David while Uriah was gone. Do you think they would say anything to or in front of the King? Bathsheba? Do people say anything to the parents of "illegitimate" children today? Or is it the child they taunt? Who, then, would have SUFFERED the most as a result of David's acts?

Are you serious? You think that killing a baby is better than having him go through life, occasionally being called a bastard? Please tell me I'm reading that wrong.

Sorry, FunkyD, but I am not 'righteous' or 'good'... and have never professed to be. I just tend to think that IF some parents thought their children would be held accountable they MIGHT think twice. I also have enough good sense to know that while indeed perhaps some would... some, perhaps most, still wouldn't.

You're right. It probably would work on a lot of people. If I was a parent and you threatened my children, I'd do anything you asked - if I was somehow incapable of tearing you limb from limb - but it would still be unjust. The ends do not justify the means.

We 'see' this one differently, FunkyD. Sorry.

The way I see it: something is wrong if and only if it violates someone's rights.
The way (I think) you see it: Something is wrong if and only if your god says it is wrong.

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But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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JW Kids - More Frightened Than Most?

by Englishman in

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ive recently been in contact with a couple of ex-jws that i knew in my childhood.. what has surfaced is the amount of fear that we experienced as young children when we were involved with the witnesses.

i accept that children often do develop irrational fears as part of growing up, but what i am talking about here is a deep-seated fear of being harmed.. many young children that i grew up with in the witness religion were of an unusually nervous disposition.

i recall how when i was first taken to meetings that i found the whole experience somewhat sinister and strange.

funkyderek

Sexual appetite is not "depravity" dear. Inordinate sexual appetite not satisfied in the proper context IS depravity, hon.

Agreed, but anything involving only consenting adults is fine, right?

:Money, the tool with which we improve our world is "the root of all evil".:
Read your Bible again, dear. That is not what brother Paul wrote.

I'm well aware that it is the "love of money" rather than money itself that Paul claimed was "the root of all evil" (1 Timothy 6:10). But he said we should be satisfied with "food and shelter." (v. 8) The implication certainly is to forgo improving the quality of this life, in favour of a future life. This is a common theme in Christianity. Suffering is even considered virtuous.

Life is a mystery. Reason has its place. It is just not the end-all and be-all that a number of moderns think it is. So many things are transrational.

If something is inconsistent with reason, can it be real? And is transrational the same as irrational or does it have some other meaning?

:This life is considered valueless, to be mortgaged against the promise of eternal "bliss" in a dimension where nobody gets to do the things that make life worth living.:
And you were brought up in what type of Christianity, dear? It sounds more like you are talking about gnosticism.

It sounds like every brand of Christianity I've ever heard of. Behave in a certain way, and after you die, you'll be rewarded (or punished). What versions of Christianity don't have something of that sort?

People already have embraced rational thought. It was called the enlightenment, dear. That project has already failed, funky.

In what way has it failed? We've increased the length and quality of our lives beyond the imaginings of previous generations, we have made incredible advancements in all fields of human endeavour, we are free to behave largely as we choose (as long as we don't violate anyone else's rights), we have unravelled the secrets of life, the universe and just about everything. How is that a failure and what the hell would you consider a success?

And I am not a misandrist. hilda is a feminist who loves everyone.

Another Christian aberration. Don't love people for who they are or what they do, just love everybody, regardless of their worth.

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But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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National Masturbation Month

by dubla in

may is national masturbation month........with all the sex that hits this forum, i cant believe i havent seen this thread yet.

(maybe i missed it).....anyhow, have fun.. .

aa

funkyderek

national?
which nation?

Does it matter? Just do it for your country.

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But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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The Protect the Children Sham

by HildaBingen in

once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.

this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.

he finally got a bright idea.

funkyderek

Ha satan is a clever devil is he not? why he even made people overlook who received the behind of the year award, a 16 year old, by focusing on jws.

Just in case any of you did overlook the delectable and talented Charlotte Church winning "Rear of The Year" here she is. We'll thwart that Ha Satan yet!

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But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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Evolution Theory about Rainbows is.....

by U.2.K. in

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once again stupid.. i read this book today about how evolution works, blah, blah... once again evolution shows it's ignorance and it got started by foolish humans who knoweth nothing at all... .

they say rainbows only come out when and after it rains.. bs, cause just month i seen 2 rainbows together in the sky, in the afternoon, and it did not rain at all, infact it was'nt suppose to rain anyway... the facts: rainbows are from yahweh, but since christ is king right now, he brings out the rainbows, cause it's love and it's a sign of righteous.... so evolution can kiss my ass.. .

btw y"all i was praying to jehovah god & jesus christ today, that i hope one day before armageddon, can you bring out some rainbows at night.. that would be cool, can y'all picture that?

funkyderek

Nothings Changed - Man sees something he dosn't understand and then invents a God.

Except in this case, U2K has no excuse for not understanding. The most basic education in science - of the sort normally given to preteen children - is enough to understand broadly how rainbows form. In fact, it's ridiculously easy to create your own rainbow. There was a time when I would have refused to believe that someone could genuinely be as stupid as this guy and still be conscious, but I've been on the net too long. There are no limits to human stupidity.
Even so, he's really plumming the depths.

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But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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JW Kids - More Frightened Than Most?

by Englishman in

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friends

ive recently been in contact with a couple of ex-jws that i knew in my childhood.. what has surfaced is the amount of fear that we experienced as young children when we were involved with the witnesses.

i accept that children often do develop irrational fears as part of growing up, but what i am talking about here is a deep-seated fear of being harmed.. many young children that i grew up with in the witness religion were of an unusually nervous disposition.

i recall how when i was first taken to meetings that i found the whole experience somewhat sinister and strange.

funkyderek

Calvin was almost right when he said man is totally depraved. I think man is only mostly depraved.

What a disgusting misanthropic attitude. One of the most horrible and dangerous features of your primitive superstitions is that they take humanity's greatest virtues and turns them into vices. Our sexual appetite,a source of intense pleasure to most healthy adults, is "depravity". Money, the tool with which we improve our world is "the root of all evil". The ability to reason, man's greatest triumph is anathema to them; they say: "just have faith", "don't ask questions", "it's a mystery". This life is considered valueless, to be mortgaged against the promise of eternal "bliss" in a dimension where nobody gets to do the things that make life worth living.
The true depravity is in reducing man to the level of an animal who exists only to serve a barbaric deity. Our greatest acheivement will be when we finally rid ourselves of the credulity of our ancestors and fully embrace rational thought.

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But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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light bulb

by bchapp in

how many jehovah's witnesses does it take to change a light bulb?

one to screw in the bulb, and two to knock on your door and ask you if you've seen the light!.

"if the truth hurts most of us so badly that we don't want it told,.

funkyderek

Five, one to change the bulb, one to state that the bulb is the same one that's always been there, and three to disfellowship anyone who disagrees.

--
But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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The best REMAKE of all times....

by LDH in

original artist: the temptations.

remake artist: george michael.

song: papa was a rolling stone.

funkyderek

Original: David Bowie
Cover: Nirvana
Song: The Man Who Sold theWorld

--
But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien

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Did Satan prove God wrong? a possible bibical flaw

by Leander in

jw
friends

most people are familiar with the account of job where satan makes the claim that the only reason humans serve god is because of selfish reasons.

god allowed satan to test this theory on job, so job was beset by numerous trials but he refused to give up on god or blame him in anyway.. it would appear that satan was proved wrong in this particular bible account but was he really?

would the majority of mankind follow jobs example if they were faced with similar trials?

funkyderek

As King of Israel, David was under that law, as were his sons, whomever their mother. You/I/Israel/David may not LIKE the law, just as we might not like some laws today. But law... is law, yes? Praise JAH that the law no longer calls for the sins of the father to come upon the son.

Are we supposed to thank your god because now, instead of murdering innocent people to satisfy some law, he will merely murder those who don't have faith in him?

Which do you think would hurt David MORE: killing HIM for his crime... or his child?

Killing his child of course. Perhaps that's why your god thought it was the most appropriate punishment. Fortunately, modern lawmakers are more humane, and realise that the purpose of punishment is not to hurt the wrongdoer as much as possible, but to protect society, compensate the victims and rehabilitate the wrongdoer if possible. If David was already an adulterer and murderer, what kind of punishment is killing the evidence of his adultery?

I must say that I am still of the PERSONAL opinion (sorry!), that a lot more parents need to pay for what their kids do and that if they knew their kids were going to pay, might do a lot less 'bad' stuff themselves.

To make parents pay for the actions of their children seems reasonable. Parents are responsible for the behaviour of their children. The reverse, however, is not true. To punish a child for the actions of his/her parent is absolutely abhorrent. That's the trouble with getting your morality from an Iron Age war tribe.

--
But if you pray all your sins are hooked upon the sky
Pray and the heathen lie will disappear
Prayers they hide the saddest view
(Believing the strangest things, loving the alien)
-- David Bowie, Loving The Alien