Nope never have ......but I am afraid to take a bethel tour! I have this "goosebumps" fear of being confronted by a demon like in "The Devils Advocate".
Yes....I am dead serious
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Posts by yknot
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by Honesty indid you ever feel an unseen presence in the kingdom hall before, during or after a meeting?
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Revised "United in Worship" book leaves out chapter on blood???
by Witness 007 inthis blue book united in worship, was studied before baptism.
in 2002 we got the updated version...was it any different?
only two small changes.. 1980 - united in worship-.
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I believe once we reach the "magic" number in the WTBS baptism database ( ie baptism 1985 and beyond) the blood issue will be dust! The legal department hates it! By changing the Baptism question to acknowledge membership it virtually eliminates all possible lawsuits( via the YOU joined us of your own free will and could leave anytime you wanted...We didnt make you do it, You made a conscious CHOICE) The main Blood supporters are Gene Smalley (his baby), Dear Bro Ted and all lackey GBs he has recruited recently who while in his presence will jump when told.
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Does the WTS teach that Jehovah is only "Heavenly Father" to the 144k?
by yaddayadda ini don't know if it is my imagination or what, but i've started to notice something odd in recent wts literature (besides all the other odd things): .
i am struggling to find any mention in recent watchtower articles and publications of jehovah being referred to as the "heavenly father" of jehovah's witnesses!
for example, in the upcoming october 22-28 watchtower study article entitled "your father is merciful" (quoting from luke 6:36), god is not once referred to as "heavenly father" throughout the entire article!
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Hmmm
Maybe it is a typo that will have to be updated like the Rev Book!
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The typestetters at Bethel are having a mini rebellion!
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The Writing Department is testing us for loyalty and unity (no matter how erroneous the paragraph)
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Is the "marking" policy of the Society defunct or still officially used?
by yaddayadda inin my over 30 years as a jw, i honestly can't recall ever hearing about anyone who was being officially "marked" pursuant to the society's "marking" policy based on 2 thess 3:14. .
in fact, i havn't read anything about their strange "marking" policy in years.
this makes me wonder if the society still has confidence in it and still officially endorses it?
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yknot
Yep....me (1981 -present)
I am banned from FS
Never recieved KMs
I have already been deemed unworthy of kool-aid WT
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Now, now 1935.......pish posh
NEW LIGHT~~~(((((FLASH))))~~~~
May 1 and Aug 15 WT.....(2007)
Gene Smalley has dismissed the 1935 edict in QFR.....(had too Barber (b. 1905) died in April- the only legitimate remaining pre-1935 annointed GB)
GB can go on forever and ever and ever..............................................
or another way of looking at it is....
Next Nisan 14.......Huge Party at local KH/ Marriot= Eat , Drink, and be counted...lol
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How Did The "Shepherds" Treat You?
by minimus indid you look forward to shepherding calls?.
were you refreshed after talking to the elders?.
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OOPs forgot to mention I did get to spend some summers in a "critical thinking" congregation. That insisted that my local congregation was just a weak cong due to weak minded men and to keep my faith...(ie wait and be patient)
They still call and give encouragement from 2500 miles away.
So I guess that is my silver lining!
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How Did The "Shepherds" Treat You?
by minimus indid you look forward to shepherding calls?.
were you refreshed after talking to the elders?.
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yknot
Hmmm.... I was officially put out of the "pasture"/ marked sometime between 6½ and 7¼ years old. Only thing that could count as a "shepherding call" would be Bro Olm*** telling me I was a liar and evil for the next 27years. Why.....well who knows??????? They refuse to tell me my crime/crimes still even as an adult.
I am also banned from FS
never been entitled to KMs (keep posting them plz)
already have been told no kool-aid WT for me
So much for my dedication/attendance all these years.......
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name change??
by isaacaustin inin the post on faith vs accurate knowledge writetoknow posted this:.
"upon gaining this accurate knowledge of the scriptures they can then be baptized into the organization of jehovahs witnesses.
although that organization may presently be under going a name change do to recent sex scandals plaguing the group.".
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yknot
This one has been in the works for a long time. They wanted to use many years ago Jehovah's Christian Witnesses in the USA, but is already taken by a JW recovery ministry until recently...........In Europe they are frequently listed as European Association of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses as seen on the OSCE attendance records.
http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2006/10/21654_en.pdf
Also my understanding is that all spiritual dealing in the USA are under the organization of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
Hope this helps.
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Conspiracy against the Watchtower
by Hiddenwindow inhere is one question that has been bothering me for quite some time.
do you think a revolution, so to speak, within the organization is possible?
in other words, can any conspiracy against the watchtower succeed?
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Sorry but the uprising from within has been put-down.
If you start to research the legal departments goings on starting in the mid 80's you will find that they were in great hope of taking over. They changed the baptism questions to membership acceptance thus negating any and all future legal challenges from members ( i.e. you joined us, free will to leave any time). They also began dabbling more and more in secular legal cases. Later they settled suits against them to avoid having CO's and DO's defined by the courts as employees. Association with the UN greatly helped getting in to Eastern Block countries, the UN gave them "mainstream" status, allowed the legal department to make many new contacts and of course allowed them to represent the WTBS as a holocaust victim. Victim status goes along way in Europe. They were behind the restructuring of the GB duties to other "departments" run by non-annointed. All they had to then was wait until the current GB died or got far enough away from the 1935 doctrine. Then POOF they would be left to run the place, pushing us into the mainstream, losing doctrines that brought legal burdens like the blood issue.
Unfortunately Bro Ted/Gene Smalley must have figured it out. So! what to do all of a sudden when Dear Bro Barber began to fade? (b. 1905 I think). Hmmmm...... well of course Bro Gene Smalley the little lackey came up with a plan to rid himself and the GB of the impending strangle hold of his nemesis the LEGAL DEPARTMENT (they were always whining about his pet project the BLOOD DOCTRINE). So he announced that in the QFR column (his writing outlet) that the annointed had not been filled in 1935, thus extending it to eternity and beyond. A meeting was called and the "flash up" was announced. Still needing the Legal Eagles, an agreement was struck which benefited all main departments as follows:
GB- Goes on forever
Writing Department in coalition with the GB can extract even greater control of flock
Service Department- gets to print few magazines, cutting cost, labor, and building space. Are open now to consolidating not-profiting -us properties and expand their real estate ventures and selling used Co/Do cars (instead of donating them to need poor JWs).
Legal Department- Gets a bone.....they get a WT all of their own! They are allowed to continue their quest for mainstreaming JW's image. Any deals that are made in disagreement with WTBS DOCTRINE are considered Theocratic Warfare. Besides with the GB/Writing putting forth greater constraints on the freedoms of the flock, no R&F JW will ever hear or read about the Legal Dept escapades.
And thus ends the rebellion!
That reminds me.....I need to inform the Service Dept. that having uneducated poor is unhealthy for donations. Mmmm maybe I can convince them that all JW's need to become professionals. Let me see how did Bro G put it in his recent Sunday Talk in response to the "no higher education" flash.........
Oh I remember now.....He pointed out that he himself was B&R Jw but received a degree in Architecture. The degree allows him to work 3 days a week, to pioneer full-time, to do quick builds, and that he and his wife donate between 2000-5000monthly. His wife B&R JW too has a bachelors in nursing and works a few days a month. I heard her say she makes 55 dollars an hour!!!!
OH well the above could have been the norm.....if LEGAL had won......ahhhh freedom as long as we paid handsomely!
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OUTLAW and the WBT$ own Stock in the Rand Cam Engine Corp.
by OUTLAW inhello jwd!
!..just got back from civilization!......my friends had a party for me while i was there..and..one of them bought me a present.....500 shares,in wbt$ owned rand cam engine corp!.....outlaw is now an official stockholder,in the rand cam engine corp..lol!
!......the association of the wbt$ with the united nations -ngo,was scandalous!..the huge wbt$ pedophile problem is obscene!.....the watchtower bible and tracy society`s 50% ownership of rand cam engine corp.is unthinkable!..and..i`m their newest stockholder!.......who say`s life isn`t fair?....lol!
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http://www.geocities.com/wtgreed/article.htm
R6Laser please read the above link. The Watchtower was listed as owner via donation by McCan ( he retained voting rights then and now) for 16 years with the SEC. After this was made "light" to them via letters like the one in the link, they arranged to have there name publically removed from all companies. This however doesn't explain why the filing was made valid, unless originally the WTBS accepted the "donation" from McCan. Prehaps they gave back the donation...who knows....because it has all been swept up under the rug. The other issue is the letter of response from the WTBS...it is not a direct denial rather that they only tell us "we found none of the legal corporations used by the GB in"caring for Kingdom interest" owns stock", so it begs to be asked what about legal corporations owned by the WTBS not just the GB, that are not for the direct benefit of "kingdom interest"
Also what about the fact that we are seeing Theocratic Warfare being used heavily since 911
UN, Rand Cam, Bulgaria Blood agreement?
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/who_is_greber.htm
See what the WTBS has to say to and in response about the (above link)
JOHANNES GREBER MEMORIAL FOUNDATION
139 Hillside Ave.
Teaneck, NJ 07666Dare you!
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