Posts by yknot

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SURVEY: Is a JWN members post count a reasonable indicator of their theist/atheist position? If so what can be learned from that?

by nicolaou in

i've done no research on this but i suspect that a members belief or absence of belief in god may have some correspondence with the number of posts he or she has made.. my tentative suggestion is that members with fewer than 500 posts are mostly believers while members with more than 3000 posts are mostly non-believers.

of course there are exceptions, maybe quite a few, but i'm only dealing with generalities here.

so how about a survey?

yknot

I am content with #1

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Do you know if these publications are available?

by dgp in

does anyone know if these publications are available?

i don't mean "my local kingdom hall", sorry.. - the nations shall know that i am jehovah .

- jehovah's witnesses in the divine purpose .

yknot

PM atlantis about The Nations Shall Know that I am Jehovah in pdf.....he has it!

For Divine Purpose - http://www.archive.org/details/WatchTowerBibleandTractSocietyofPennsylvaniaWatchTowerpubs_0

I suggest you request the School brochure from Atlantis too.....

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I need support please

by AwSnap in

jw
friends

for the most part, i am able to understand how my family treats me.

i was a jw for 20 years...since birth.

i used to shun people.

yknot

Yes this time should be about YOU......but she is afraid, afraid for you.

But alas you know more than her......maybe channel that anger into love bombing......document everything, send it to her with a short note saying how much you wished she was there, how you fear she will only see your child grow up in pictures.

I agree keep the quilt....... one day it may serve to bring yall together.

hour late huggles!

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An open letter to the Governing Body: Go F*ck Yourselves.

by EntirelyPossible in

dear member of the governing body,.

thanks to you, i did something a few nights ago that i promised i would never do again.

i lied to someone.

yknot

I like the idea of you having a dialogue with him...... maybe after Aug you can suggest he explain to you what he believes about the WTS and you can explain to him what/why you dont.....no attacking just family men talking....

WTS history lessons only serve to give him choices......it will either lead him to agree with you or make him a better JW via understanding just how revisionary we truly can, have been and will be in the future.

Huggles...

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Dr. Who.....

by cantleave in

good god!!!

today's episode was a shocker.......

yknot

Oh my!!!

I was a few episodes behind ......until I saw this thread!

Just finished up!

I must commend the writers they really have done their best to keep us all on board with David gone!

Thanks to Leolaia's earlier comments when Matt took over; my children started calling him 'the foot doctor' and were very, very hesitant ......(but aren't we all when we lose our first Doctor!)

Just curious when they say "Autumn 2011"......what month does BBC start back up with lineup?

For those like me whose PBS is a year or more behind (Matt won't start airing here until July!) may I suggest....

http://watchseries.eu/serie/doctor_who

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I'm new to the whole JW religion - Can someone please explain the basics?

by Jackals in

i recently began a wonderful relationship with a guy who also happened to be a jw.

i have learned alot about him and how the religion effects his life and now i am interested in learning more about the religion - but from a beginners' point of view.

could anyone give me an idea of the basic beliefs and practices of jws?.

yknot

Howdy...

I am an active JW.....

First, pay no attention to Rachel-Alice-Spade-Numerous Other Alias- all of which were banned from the forum-MAZE (she has pretty jaded history and if this was a scene from the Wiz of Oz she would be the voice saying 'pay no attention to the man behind the curtain')........Luv and Huggles Rach really but you are misleading Jack.

Your poor beloved lil Timmy...... he isn't a fully 'conscious' JW yet.

No sweety homosexuality isn't permitted in the WTS except under strict celibacy , masturbation which is already considered 'unclean' by hetero standards is doubly unclean if involving homosexual fantasies.....

So your boy Tim he is 'inactive' in his faith (assuming he is either born/raised JW)....but still believes...

Here is what Tim probably believes : (use below to engage in a conversation with him, let him tell you what he believes is his religion's beliefs)

Jesus enthroned in 1914 (but we didn't teach that in 1914, in 1914 we taught 1878 was enthronment..changed it to 1914 in the 1920s)

Jesus second coming was invisible and also occured in 1914 (also not taught in 1914 rather the parousia was 1874 until 1943 when it was changed to 1914)

Jesus inspected all the religions professing to be 'Christian' 1918.

In 1919 Jesus names the WTS as worthy of being God's sole channel on earth.

He disavows trinity, hellfire and immortality of soul.

The 144,000 mention in Revelations are a literal group who act as joint-heirs with Christ. (we call them 'anointed')

Jesus is NOT your or his mediator, Jesus only mediates for the 'anointed'

The millennial reign is a future event referred to as the 'new system' in which many will be resurrected into a paradise earth and will grow to perfection and the point where they are equal to what Adam was in Eden and then Satan is released to wreck havoc and lead astray the faithful.

Armageddon is right around the corner, the end is nigh.

You nor he can understand the Bible without the aid of the WTS publications/direction/guidance.

Only those non-anointed in association (ie JWs) with the "slave" (ie Governing Body, anointed, WTS) will be saved during Armageddon......if you two are still alive and active homosexuals when Armageddon comes yall will be 'birdfood'

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Here is another article from the same magazine quoted by Maze (Awake!) but unlike her 1996 commentary lets look at what the WTS had to say about homosexuality in it's Dec 2010 edition.........

*** g12/10 pp.22-24 How Can I Explain the Bible’s View of Homosexuality?***

Young People Ask

How Can I Explain the Bible’s View of Homosexuality?

The awards ceremony erupts into a frenzy when two popular actresses greet each other with a passionate kiss! Onlookers gasp in shock and then cheer in support. Gays call it a triumph. Skeptics call it a publicity stunt. Whichever it is, video clips of the kiss will be aired repeatedly on TV newscasts—and elicit millions of hits on the Internet—for days to come.

AS ILLUSTRATED in the above scenario, few events create more media buzz than when a celebrity comes out as being gay, lesbian, or bisexual. Some people praise such ones for their courage; others condemn them for their debauchery. Between the two extremes, many view homosexuality as nothing more than an alternative lifestyle. “When I was in school,” says Daniel, 21, “even straight kids felt that if you had a problem with the idea of homosexuality, you were prejudiced and judgmental.”

Attitudes about homosexuality may differ from one generation to another or from one land to another. But Christians aren’t “carried hither and thither by every wind of teaching.” (Ephesians 4:14) Instead, they adhere to the Bible’s view.

What is the Bible’s view of homosexuality? If you live by the Bible’s moral code, how can you respond to those who label you prejudiced, judgmental, or even homophobic? Consider the following questions and possible responses.

What does the Bible say about homosexuality? The Bible makes it clear that God designed sex to be engaged in only between a male and a female and only within the arrangement of marriage. (Genesis 1:27, 28; Leviticus 18:22; Proverbs 5:18, 19) When the Bible condemns fornication, it is referring to both homosexual and heterosexual conduct.—Galatians 5:19-21.

If someone asks: “What’s your view of homosexuality?”

You might reply: “I don’t hate homosexuals, but I can’t approve of their conduct.”

• Remember: If you’re guided by the Bible’s moral code, then thatisyourlifestylechoice,andyouhavearighttoit. (Joshua 24:15) Don’t feel ashamed of your view.—Psalm 119:46.

Shouldn’t Christians treat all people with respect, regardless of their sexual orientation? Absolutely. The Bible says: “Honor men of all sorts” or, as Today’sEnglishVersion renders it, “Respect everyone.” (1 Peter 2:17) Therefore, Christiansarenothomophobic. They show kindness to all people, including those who are gay.—Matthew 7:12.

If someone asks: “Doesn’t your view of homosexuality encourage prejudice against gays?”

You might reply: “Not at all. I reject homosexual conduct, not people.”

• You could add: “To illustrate it, I also choose not to smoke. In fact, I find the very idea of it repugnant. But suppose you’re a smoker and you feel differently. I wouldn’t be prejudiced against you for your view, just as I’m sure you wouldn’t be prejudiced against me for my view—am I right? The same principle applies to our differing views of homosexuality.”

Didn’t Jesus preach tolerance? If so, shouldn’t Christians take a permissive view of homosexuality? Jesus didn’t encourage his followers to accept any and all lifestyles. Rather, he taught that the way to salvation is open to “everyone exercisingfaithinhim.” (John 3:16) Exercising faith in Jesus includes conforming to God’s moral code, which forbids certain types of conduct—including homosexuality.—Romans 1:26, 27.

If someone says: “Homosexuals can’t change their orientation; they’re born that way.”

You might reply: “The Bible doesn’t comment on the biology of homosexuals, although it acknowledges that some traits are deeply ingrained. (2 Corinthians 10:4, 5) Even if some are oriented toward the same sex, the Bible tells Christians to shun homosexual acts.”

• Suggestion: Rather than get ensnared in a debate about the cause of homosexual desires, emphasize that the Bible prohibits homosexual conduct. To make a comparison, you could say: “You know, many claim that violent behavior can have a genetic root and that as a result, some people are predisposed to it. (Proverbs 29:22) What if that was true? As you might know, the Bible condemns fits of anger. (Psalm 37:8; Ephesians 4:31) Is that standard unfair just because some may be inclined toward violence?”

How could God tell someone who is attracted to the same sex to shun homosexuality? That sounds cruel. Such reasoning is based on the flawed notion that humans must act on their sexual impulses. The Bible dignifies humans by assuring them that they can choose not to act on their improper sexual urges if they truly want to.—Colossians 3:5.

If someone says: “Even if you’re not gay, you should change your view of homosexuality.”

You might reply: “Suppose I didn’t approve of gambling but you did. Would it be reasonable for you to insist that I change my view, simply because millions of people choose to gamble?”

• Remember this: Most people (including homosexuals) have some ethical code that causes them to deplore certain things—perhaps fraud, injustice, or war. The Bible prohibits those behaviors; it also draws the line at certain types of sexual conduct, including homosexuality.—1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

The Bible is not unreasonable nor does it promote prejudice. It simply directs those with same-sex urges to do the same thing that is required of those with an opposite-sex attraction—to “flee from fornication.”—1 Corinthians 6:18.

The fact is, millions of heterosexuals who wish to conform to the Bible’s standards employ self-control despite any temptations they might face. Their numbers include many who are single with little prospect of marriage and many who are married to a disabled partner who is unable to function sexually. They are able to live happily without fulfilling their sexual urges. Those with homosexual inclinations can do the same if they truly want to please God.—Deuteronomy 30:19.

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I'm So Pissed I Can't Go To The Convention!

by Philadelphia Ponos in

seriously!

i've been planning on going to this foreign langauge district convention for over a year and because some genius in new york planned it on july 4th weekend all the hotel prices have been jacked up making it impossible for me to attend.

f**k!!!!!

yknot

See if you can split a room...

or

IF not then look at rooming options a town or two away........

or

spend the night one night and drive the next....

I understand your goal and just want you to be successful!

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2011-2012 DC Brochure(s) "Listen to God" PDF

by yknot in

anonymous brother does it again!

(huge round of applause!!!

(regular) http://www.sendspace.com/file/nzjme3.

yknot

Really boys......"all about Eve" huh....

What caught my eye is the scared lil wimpy boy look on Adam's face as she shows him the fruit....(shakes head at such weakness)

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"Overlapping generation" explanation - TRANSCRIBED EXTRACT from Friday's talk (DC 2011-12)

by AnnOMaly in

i thought this would be easier to examine if written down:.

god's kingdom will soon come.

so we know that god's kingdom will soon come.. .

yknot

Donny commented on pg 1:

Talk states: Group 1 of this generation discerned the sign of Christ's presence in 1914. But they weren't merely born in 1914 nor merely alive to witness the start of Christ's presence. They were spirit-anointed in or before 1914.

How can this be true? Up until around 1943 they were in the belief that Jesus returned in 1874. How could they discern his presence in 1914 when he had already been around for 40 years?

my thoughts:

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"Overlapping generation" explanation - TRANSCRIBED EXTRACT from Friday's talk (DC 2011-12)

by AnnOMaly in

i thought this would be easier to examine if written down:.

god's kingdom will soon come.

so we know that god's kingdom will soon come.. .