If they can't get this crazy woman to eventually convert, they are not really trying. She doesn't seem too grounded to me. They could easily talk their way around her and she doesn't seem to have the backbone to disagree.
Rocky_Girl
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One smart householder!
by man oh man inyou might enjoy this lady's experience with a jw visit.
she is too nice but also more smart!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vgug6sbppy.
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Worst Day of my life
by BU2B inwell this afternoon as i sit here i am calm but my heart is literally aching.
i am sitting here with my young daughter on my shoulder.
i guess you could say i spilled the beans to my wife this afternoon.
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Rocky_Girl
I would reassure her that you love her and need her support. Don't talk about TTATT for a while. You have to establish that your doubts about the JWs has nothing to do with your love for her. Focus on your marriage. It says a lot that she ran to your parents about your problems. Do you think you can salvage a relationship with her?
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For those of you who inactive, but not officially DFd/DAd, how do you manage?
by undercover ini read with interest the thread about how people who are mentally out yet still attend (some) meetings manage to do continue to do it and it got me wondering, how do those of us who are completely inactive, no longer practicing members of the faith, manage to pull off our new ex-jw life, yet never invite scrutiny or investigation from former friends, elders, etc.. take me, for example.
i've been out several years now, but have never officially renounced my faith.
i've never out and out called it a crock of shit to anyone who could make real trouble for me.
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Rocky_Girl
The JWs I used to know shun me despite the fact that I have never DA'd or been DF'd. My parents find ways to help me (I give them plenty as a single mom dealing with an abusive ex) so they feel their association with me falls within that family emergency loophole. I am openly ex-JW and have converted first to Catholicism (to marry my ex-fiance) and now to Judaism (because it fit me) over the 14 years I have been inactive without incident.
I know it helps that I moved across town to another territory so the ones who knew me back then do not see me participating in pagan celebrations The local JWs do not come to my door any longer (after an incident not too long ago) I assume that they think I am DF'd, they KNOW I am apostate. The last elder to meet with me (4 years ago) warned me not to talk to any JWs about my feelings and I wouldn't face public discipline. If they tried to do anything now, I would have my attorney send a letter warning them not to. It has been so long that it would be considered extreme because it would be for the sole purpose of forcing my parents to stop association.
I actually think they like it when poor, unsuspecting JWs come to my door and leave feeling scared because they spoke to a denomic apostate. It reinforces that shut-down in the R&F brains when the experience floats around. I still remember the feeling of fear I would feel when I would run into a DF'd one and the morbid fascination my friends had with hearing about every detail of the encounter. I would be commended for my brave act of walking away. I'm sure that my house is spoken of in the same way now...
I feel lucky that there are no elders actively pursuing my DF'ing. I truly feel for those of you who have experienced that.
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I just could not shut up!!!!
by SophieG ini am trying to fade...but its hard because i want scream at all my friends: wake up!!!!!
think with the brain god gave you!!!
(still working on gods existence...).
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Rocky_Girl
She said that she “will NEVER leave the org and trash it…she’s had HORRIBLE experiences and she’s still not leaving and trashing it…too many bible accounts that expose the folly of that…”
I would love to see the scripture that exposes the folly of speaking out against the WTS. Of course she equates the org with God, but she will never see it that way... Aren't you glad you have a place to come and vent about such frustrating conversations? Those who haven't been "in" never quite get why it bothers us so much.
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The Jackson Family Circus -or- WE know whats really going on with Katherine Jackson vs her kids...
by Unlearn inso, i dont know if this has been posted/addressed here...but watching this whole jackson family thing play out in the public eye is surreal.. the press assume that the only reason mj's brothers and janet are contesting his will and want control of the kids, is money.. seriously...mj's bros and sisters dont need his money: his bros get paid everytime you hear a jackson 5 song.
they're all millionaires.. janet is loaded.
but, the media doesnt know what we know...so they assume that the only reason they'd want mj's kids is for the $$$$ that come along with them as part of the deal.. we know better.. i believe a big amount of respect is due to janet and jermaine and the rest of the gang...theyre trying to rescue those kids from a jw brainwashing fate.. i'd bet money on it.. they say janet was trying to convince paris to willingly leave her grandmothers home and come with them.. im telling you...they're trying to save those kids.. and as any of you who have close family still in the cult can attest to, we apostates are some of the most loving, long-suffering people on the planet...as many of us publicly hold our tongues repeatedly when it comes to that cult, because we dont want to hurt mom, or dad, or kids, or siblings.
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Rocky_Girl
Perhaps they will not speak publicly because they do not want to be shunned by their family still in- most importantly Katherine, the matriarch. Having money and fame only assures that the shunning will happen, as a good witness to the world of course .
We all know that extricating minors from a JW household is a delicate situation. If the money is part of the equation, it may be that they don't want that billion dollars to be donated, piecemeal, to the WTS.
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what is the dumbest thing you've been reproved/chided/df'd for?
by rather be in hades ini'm a big science nerd and i remember when we were going over the creator book, that the big bang doesn't necessarily prove there is no god.. i said this comment during book study and the conductor's jaw dropped.
everyone was pretty uncomfortable and it didn't help that he ct me off as i was explaining the red shift and mom wasn't too happy about all that.
i had to do a lot of bible research and write some nonsense about how the big bang was not reality or some sort...ugh.. .
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@ nvr2l8 - I remember when a young pioneer brother's "spirituality" was questioned when he bought a two-door car.
@isaacaustin - I was young, naive, and headstrong. I look back and laugh because it was so ridiculous. My mom didn't believe me when I told her what happened and it caused a rift between us for a long time. I am happy to be free!!
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Protesters at conventions / assemblies...
by garyneal infirst off, i can happily say that this year i did not attend a single day at this years district convention.. on saturday during the convention, my wife asked me to drop her off after lunch and later pick her up when the convention was over.
while i was dropping her off, i noticed a single individual holding picket signs protesting the convention.
it said things like, "was the ransom sacrifice worth it?
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Rocky_Girl
I have an idea that is very subtle and I have used it in other settings as well. PM me if you are interested (I know the boards are monitored and don't want to give away my favorite anti-witnessing campaign)
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what is the dumbest thing you've been reproved/chided/df'd for?
by rather be in hades ini'm a big science nerd and i remember when we were going over the creator book, that the big bang doesn't necessarily prove there is no god.. i said this comment during book study and the conductor's jaw dropped.
everyone was pretty uncomfortable and it didn't help that he ct me off as i was explaining the red shift and mom wasn't too happy about all that.
i had to do a lot of bible research and write some nonsense about how the big bang was not reality or some sort...ugh.. .
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Rocky_Girl
@king Solomon
*bowing I've made sure to make up for lost time since then.
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what is the dumbest thing you've been reproved/chided/df'd for?
by rather be in hades ini'm a big science nerd and i remember when we were going over the creator book, that the big bang doesn't necessarily prove there is no god.. i said this comment during book study and the conductor's jaw dropped.
everyone was pretty uncomfortable and it didn't help that he ct me off as i was explaining the red shift and mom wasn't too happy about all that.
i had to do a lot of bible research and write some nonsense about how the big bang was not reality or some sort...ugh.. .
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Rocky_Girl
You know, I was very naive. I was a regular pioneer from the time I was 14 until I left at 18. I was never invited to the parties where everyone else got in trouble. I did some things, like make out with my boyfriend at not at homes, but mostly I was pretty clean. When I was reproved, I was very upset and felt so guilty for being stubborn and prideful in the jc, but a week later I realized that I had the right to stand up for myself. I wanted to leave in good standing so my parents wouldn't feel the need to shun me, so I worked hard for 3 months to regain my privileges. As soon as the PO told me I was done, I commented at the meeting to show my parents that I could and never went back. It took another 6 years to really be mentally free, but the physical freedom was sweet all on its own.
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what is the dumbest thing you've been reproved/chided/df'd for?
by rather be in hades ini'm a big science nerd and i remember when we were going over the creator book, that the big bang doesn't necessarily prove there is no god.. i said this comment during book study and the conductor's jaw dropped.
everyone was pretty uncomfortable and it didn't help that he ct me off as i was explaining the red shift and mom wasn't too happy about all that.
i had to do a lot of bible research and write some nonsense about how the big bang was not reality or some sort...ugh.. .
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Rocky_Girl
I don't think good little Jewish girls like me can be anointed or inspired by holy spirit.